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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Actually, the fire spire might give us a good excuse for copying ALL the libraries in Kislev. Boris makes a speach about how much knowledge was irretrievably lost during the coming of chaos, and wants cooperation to duplicate Kislev's lore. That way, if the worst should come to pass, they have easy access to rebuild from backups in K8P.
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
IIRC, Mathilde tried to set up a magical research group in Stirland to study the undead, but Abel didn't like the idea.
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Because there is an extreme lack of magic users in the Empire, and Mathilde's proposal was to use them as the base for the group, instead of something more reasonable. It didn't help that he had a background of fighting undead without having to wield magic, so he thought the restriction was even more egregious.
 
Ragnar said:
Actually, the fire spire might give us a good excuse for copying ALL the libraries in Kislev. Boris makes a speach about how much knowledge was irretrievably lost during the coming of chaos, and wants cooperation to duplicate Kislev's lore. That way, if the worst should come to pass, they have easy access to rebuild from backups in K8P.
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Also see: Nuln. They did copy their knowledge over to K8P, and that was the only thing that saved this knowledge when an enormous sinkhole opened im the middle of the city. Perfect example to lean on.
 
Codex said:
Because there is an extreme lack of magic users in the Empire, and Mathilde's proposal was to use them as the base for the group, instead of something more reasonable. It didn't help that he had a background of fighting undead without having to wield magic, so he thought the restriction was even more egregious.
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Also we were a Journeyman and Stirland poor as dirt.

With our current means we could set up something like that, in all likelyness.
 
Artemis1992 said:
Also we were a Journeyman and Stirland poor as dirt.

With our current means we could set up something like that, in all likelyness.
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It doesn't solve the problem that magic users are very rare and they are always in high demand. We have a research group set up, it's WEB-MAT, and despite our limited roster, we have to spend a lot of resources and carefully manage everything so that the Empire doesn't lose out on precious resources and the Wizards don't feel as if they're being underutilised. We can do something simpler with Perpetuals, but the Hochlander alone is draining our College Favor passively, and he's just one perpetual. Imagine what it would be like to have a whole group of them. We'd have to churn out papers just so that we can end up CF neutral.
 
Codex said:
It doesn't solve the problem that magic users are very rare and they are always in high demand. We have a research group set up, it's WEB-MAT, and despite our limited roster, we have to spend a lot of resources and carefully manage everything so that the Empire doesn't lose out on precious resources and the Wizards don't feel as if they're being underutilised. We can do something simpler with Perpetuals, but the Hochlander alone is draining our College Favor passively, and he's just one perpetual. Imagine what it would be like to have a whole group of them. We'd have to churn out papers just so that we can end up CF neutral.
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This. Realistically I think we could keep up maybe a consistent 6 CF churn if in the long run a paper action in addition to serenity and I do not think five perpetuals are going to cut it. In any case guys we have a lot on our plate, enough so that we have long conversation over every single spare AP. I do not think we should be taking up a new project right now even if we had the AP/CF to spare.
 
I mean, if we wanted to maintain something like that, it'd probably be more efficient for Mathilde to break out her enchanting skills to earn CF than to desperately scramble for paper topics, if perhaps more boring to read. Though I suppose there could be something interesting in figuring out what items are safe to hand out to people without being too abusable.
 
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Wiggy said:
I mean, if we wanted to maintain something like that, it'd probably be more efficient for Mathilde to break out her enchanting skills to earn CF than to desperately scramble for paper topics, if perhaps more boring to read. Though I suppose there could be something interesting in figuring out what items are safe to hand out to people without being too abusable.
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We can get a free paper a turn, we don't get a free Enchant a turn. I don't think anyone here would even consider spending AP to maintain a stream of CF so we can hire perpetuals.
 
Wiggy said:
Though I suppose there could be something interesting in figuring out what items are safe to hand out to people without being too abusable.
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Definitely Mindhole :V

Huhm, what were we t- ow, who left this thing just lying there, and what the hell is it?

Edit: ...you know, theoretically speaking, the Morbs could be a CF dump every 8 turns if we did nothing else with the AV. Just the seed powerstones cost us 40 CF per set, and Orbs of Sorcery are a hell of a lot more powerful and rare.

Doubt it'd work anything like that tbqh, especially with possible ELFDAD IS BACK stealing the show at some point in the future, but that's a thought.
 
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WFRP 2e: Tome of Salvation, page 16
Further, I offer evidence from the Universities of Altdorf and Nuln, where many old Oghams have been translated that refer to an Eagle Goddess known in the Reik before Sigmar was born, long before Myrmidia walked as a mortal.
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@Boney, it says here that GUN translates many oghams, but I don't think the books we got reflect the university's apparent interest in the history of the pre-Empire Reik basin, unless our The Empire of Man books cover that.
 
Codex said:
It doesn't solve the problem that magic users are very rare and they are always in high demand. We have a research group set up, it's WEB-MAT, and despite our limited roster, we have to spend a lot of resources and carefully manage everything so that the Empire doesn't lose out on precious resources and the Wizards don't feel as if they're being underutilised. We can do something simpler with Perpetuals, but the Hochlander alone is draining our College Favor passively, and he's just one perpetual. Imagine what it would be like to have a whole group of them. We'd have to churn out papers just so that we can end up CF neutral.
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Ideally the opportunity to constantly churn out papers on undead, combined with money from a Count that doesn't need every penny to survive and conquer Silvania would pay the upkeep, reducing the CF to hiring them in the first place.

Similar to how we can get Journeymen to constantly set up Trobutaries right now.
 
If we ask for a boon, I'd be most inclined to say something like increased diplomatic contact and ties of friendship with the Empire. It helps both nations against Chaos if they're coordinated, and so long as it's not taken to a point where national soveriegncy, pride, values, etc, are endangered then closer ties are likely to help passively in general.
 
I intend to go for something along the lines of, "Make Kislev the country you dream it to be. Be a firm ally to the Empire, for the benefit of both. That is the only price I ask."
 
Asking for no reward in the hope that it'll lead to closer ties just seems silly to me. I don't think it's going to actually give us all that much more favour (in the non-mechanical sense) than asking for a fair payment, because that's not really how people actually work.

More than that, why do we want closer ties with Boris, personally? Presumably so he'll look favourably on future requests we have for him? We have requests we'd like to make right now, and a blank cheque to make them; ask for something that doesn't seriously disadvantage Kislev, get the things we actually want, and rely on our general prosocial inclinations to bind us further together anyway, if required.

Seriously, people are saying they want to turn down payment so he'll like us more - assuming that actually succeeds, before now I'd not heard a peep about trying to get in good with Boris. Why is this now suddenly a priority?
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
We're already getting full waystone support—it's just that Boris can't cash that check until dear old dad is dead.

Maybe something to do with the fire spire? It was the forefront of magical learning in the old world for centuries—but that would lock us in to spending AP on fixing it.
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you could argue for a 'local' branch of WEB-MAT or the Kislav branch 'The multi-nation waystone maintenance group' that just happens to be where the spire used to be.
 
Deathbybunnies said:
Asking for no reward in the hope that it'll lead to closer ties just seems silly to me. I don't think it's going to actually give us all that much more favour (in the non-mechanical sense) than asking for a fair payment, because that's not really how people actually work.

More than that, why do we want closer ties with Boris, personally? Presumably so he'll look favourably on future requests we have for him? We have requests we'd like to make right now, and a blank cheque to make them; ask for something that doesn't seriously disadvantage Kislev, get the things we actually want, and rely on our general prosocial inclinations to bind us further together anyway, if required.

Seriously, people are saying they want to turn down payment so he'll like us more - assuming that actually succeeds, before now I'd not heard a peep about trying to get in good with Boris. Why is this now suddenly a priority?
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Isn't the payment getting to set up the tributaries in Kislev? That's why we were meeting with Boris in the first place.
 
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Deathbybunnies said:
Asking for no reward in the hope that it'll lead to closer ties just seems silly to me. I don't think it's going to actually give us all that much more favour (in the non-mechanical sense) than asking for a fair payment, because that's not really how people actually work.

More than that, why do we want closer ties with Boris, personally? Presumably so he'll look favourably on future requests we have for him? We have requests we'd like to make right now, and a blank cheque to make them; ask for something that doesn't seriously disadvantage Kislev, get the things we actually want, and rely on our general prosocial inclinations to bind us further together anyway, if required.

Seriously, people are saying they want to turn down payment so he'll like us more - assuming that actually succeeds, before now I'd not heard a peep about trying to get in good with Boris. Why is this now suddenly a priority?
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to add on this, We will be killing his dad.

on his request, yes, but he is obviously not happy about it, this will probably close any door on being good friends with him. colleagues in saving the world? yes, but not friends.

I would not expect any fuzzly feelings and headpats from him for this. so if we don't ask for anything, we aren't getting anything.
 
Romv said:
Maybe we can ask for a boon for our collection?

It'll be less suspicious timing-wise.
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I don't like the idea of holding on to a debt for killing his father. It's painful enough for him now, imagine coming to him later and saying "hey, remember that time you still owe me for? So, about that debt..."

If the timing of him doing things for us coincides with him doing 100500 more things Vladimir had refused to do, nobody would really look twice on that. Or linger on that second look, anyway. Boris is very openly and passionately proactive about actually ruling instead of just going around hunting beasts.
 
Deathbybunnies said:
Asking for no reward in the hope that it'll lead to closer ties just seems silly to me. I don't think it's going to actually give us all that much more favour (in the non-mechanical sense) than asking for a fair payment, because that's not really how people actually work.

More than that, why do we want closer ties with Boris, personally? Presumably so he'll look favourably on future requests we have for him? We have requests we'd like to make right now, and a blank cheque to make them; ask for something that doesn't seriously disadvantage Kislev, get the things we actually want, and rely on our general prosocial inclinations to bind us further together anyway, if required.

Seriously, people are saying they want to turn down payment so he'll like us more - assuming that actually succeeds, before now I'd not heard a peep about trying to get in good with Boris. Why is this now suddenly a priority?
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Most of the people talking about not requesting a reward are proposing doing so for the principle of the thing, not to make Boris like us more.
 
shepsquared said:
Isn't the payment getting to set up the tributaries in Kislev? That's ehy we were meeting with Boris in the first place.
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That's the pretext for the conversation, he says himself he'd happily do it; that's happening anyway. He then asked us to name our price.

GrimTheMad said:
Most of the people talking about not requesting a reward are proposing doing so for the principle of the thing, not to make Boris like us more.
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Man, that's even worse.
 
Deathbybunnies said:
Man, that's even worse.
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I hadn't realized Mathilde was so unprincipled. I still don't think she is.

Somic said:
I don't like the idea of holding on to a debt for killing his father. It's painful enough for him now, imagine coming to him later and saying "hey, remember that time you still owe me for? So, about that debt..."

If the timing of him doing things for us coincides with him doing 100500 more things Vladimir had refused to do, nobody would really look twice on that. Or linger on that second look, anyway. Boris is very openly and passionately proactive about actually ruling instead of just going around hunting beasts.
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This argument though, I can get behind - although I dislike leaning on Ranald the Dealer.

Library access, or "Pressure the Ice Witches into giving up their secrets", or even just Mopman's "Rule well" would all feel ... fine?
 
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