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- Mid-Atlantic
I mean, conceivably Boris could try to kill Vladimir and fail.
But that wouldn't necessarily be a better outcome.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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But that wouldn't necessarily be a better outcome.
Even thought Boris banished the Ice Witches from his presence-might there not be a few hanging around the city? They could be a threat if it all goes wrong methinks.
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- He/Him
So presumably we cannot call on the resources of the College, because they would have to deny it.
And of course, if we fail, they can truthfully state under deep magical scrutiny that it was not sanctioned or authorized.
And of course, if we fail, they can truthfully state under deep magical scrutiny that it was not sanctioned or authorized.
That's exactly the path we should take. Stalk the Tzar as he goes out for a fight, wait for the right moment, and get him killed in the middle of a fight, either directly or by messing with him so that he dies.
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- USA
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- She/Her
So the choice comes down to:
1. High chance of making this less messy, low chance of getting caught and being in very big trouble. Also, that has to sit on our conscience. If any of the Ice Witches do find out, they are likely to keep it under wraps (but perhaps for a price) if the change in leadership is beneficial to them.
2. Keep our hands clean in this regard, but guaranteed it's gonna be a rough transition.
Mathilde has killed and will likely kill again regardless. Chaos surges, and it cannot be met weakly. The sooner power changes hands, the sooner it can consolidate to resist the oncoming storm. And this Tsar sucks, a lot. Further, Boris would go the extra mile for us if we do this.
Do it.
1. High chance of making this less messy, low chance of getting caught and being in very big trouble. Also, that has to sit on our conscience. If any of the Ice Witches do find out, they are likely to keep it under wraps (but perhaps for a price) if the change in leadership is beneficial to them.
2. Keep our hands clean in this regard, but guaranteed it's gonna be a rough transition.
Mathilde has killed and will likely kill again regardless. Chaos surges, and it cannot be met weakly. The sooner power changes hands, the sooner it can consolidate to resist the oncoming storm. And this Tsar sucks, a lot. Further, Boris would go the extra mile for us if we do this.
Do it.
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- Earth
Boris is the guy we're talking to. The Ice Witches like Boris:
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
- Location
- Vermont
I think if they heard we killed the Tzar they'd engage in some very half-hearted pursuit.
Though, then again, they might figure that they can get more support in Kislev by bringing us in.
Eh, I'm still not super concerned, mainly because we only need a very brief window of time to get out of Kislev, and can travel faster than the news of our deed. Just the general confusion should keep that doable.
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- Oklahoma
Won't someone rid me of this meddlesome Tzar?
Sure, every grey wizard needs to assassinate a head of state at some point. Regimand was very clear on that.
Sure, every grey wizard needs to assassinate a head of state at some point. Regimand was very clear on that.
The Phoenixian
The Glacier Witch
- Location
- My own little world
Hoo Boy.
Like master, like apprentice, I suppose.
Like master, like apprentice, I suppose.
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- Omniverse #1345
We shouldn't really need them. This is actually the kind of thing Mathilde should be very good at.
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- Mid-Atlantic
The Kreml Guard are badasses but by this point, we kind of operate above their normal level. If they had good magic support it might be different, but thanks to their boss, they don't.
I'm not saying "give literally zero thought to the guards," but at this point in Mathilde's career, she's going to do that more or less automatically and come up with a good plan that works for not getting killed by guards. Sort of like how we vote for her to, say, "go to this city," and she just does it, it's not something where we have to micromanage her. Or if we say "fight a bunch of orks," she comes up with a pretty good plan for that. Same thing.
Why would they even want to capture us? They like us better than they like him.
Breadnaugt
Even in Death, I'm still Tasty
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- Britland
To reduce the influence of Chaos? To lower the numbers of mutants, undead, evil cults, and a thousand other things that worse-than-kill people every day? To preserve all the realms of Men, Dwarves, and Elves against horrors from beyond?
Hell yeah, I'd vote to assassinate the emperor himself AND his heir - regardless of him being our beloved godson. If it was necessary and we had no better options.
I really hope it's doesn't become necessary and we have no better options.
Unless someone can think of a better option, the Tsar be ded.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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- Tempe, AZ
They would have to catch us first. But in general we are sneaky enough that we should be able to 47 Bokha easy.
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- North Wales
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- He/Him/His
It'd probably be up to us to come up with something ourselves. There are options, like a formal defence pact, in case Bretonnia decides to kick off another border war in the future. Or trade concessions. Or a more formalised arrangement for funneling male wizards south than currently exists. Or joint military/trade ventures in some direction. Or territorial concessions. Or a marriage pact with an Imperially-chosen candidate. Or an infrastructure project of our choice. Or...lots of options, really.
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- The internet
I'd be leaning towards framing an Eshin Sorcerer for the assassination if we need to do it hard and fast. They've got the rep, and we can plausibly use about 90% of our magic while maintaining cover.
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- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Let's steelman the argument against.
On a number of occasions, we've assumed the worst of certain authority figures, only to later learn that because of their plans or perspectives or privileged information, their actions were actually perfectly reasonable and justified.
So: Let's assume for the sake of argument that the same is true of the Tsar. That he's actually a moral yet canny ruler who truly wants the best for his people and who uses his reputation as a hedonistic layabout as a weapon, that he has plans in motion to deal with the coming of Chaos, and that there are very good reasons for his current inaction now.
I would argue that in such a situation, we would still be better off agreeing to this assassination. Whatever the Tsar's hypothetical merits of rulership may be, and however tied the Tsarevich may find his hands afterward, the damage of a single assassination pales in comparison to the damage a full civil war in Kislev may cause, both to its population and to the world as a whole.
On a number of occasions, we've assumed the worst of certain authority figures, only to later learn that because of their plans or perspectives or privileged information, their actions were actually perfectly reasonable and justified.
So: Let's assume for the sake of argument that the same is true of the Tsar. That he's actually a moral yet canny ruler who truly wants the best for his people and who uses his reputation as a hedonistic layabout as a weapon, that he has plans in motion to deal with the coming of Chaos, and that there are very good reasons for his current inaction now.
I would argue that in such a situation, we would still be better off agreeing to this assassination. Whatever the Tsar's hypothetical merits of rulership may be, and however tied the Tsarevich may find his hands afterward, the damage of a single assassination pales in comparison to the damage a full civil war in Kislev may cause, both to its population and to the world as a whole.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
- Location
- Vermont
It'd be a bit of,
'The old Tzar has died, and now Tzar Boris is proposing some diplomatic deals with us? Well, that's certainly a nice change of pace from his predecessor'.
You know, assuming Boris does as Boris did, I hope he doesn't fail when he goes out to fight a bear, it'd royally suck if we just leave Kislev with no Tzar at all.
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- Canada (eh)
Just a little regime change.
- Location
- Oklahoma
For the practicalities of it-
Conveniently, it sounds like neither of Kislev's primary magical traditions are very supportive of the current Tzar and would much rather have Boris on the throne.
It'll still be difficult and risky, but it should be very doable for someone of Mathilde's skills.
Conveniently, it sounds like neither of Kislev's primary magical traditions are very supportive of the current Tzar and would much rather have Boris on the throne.
It'll still be difficult and risky, but it should be very doable for someone of Mathilde's skills.
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- Omniverse #1345
If this goes correctly I don't think the Kreml guard would ever even be aware we were there, let alone have a chance to stop us.
Easiest method is if the Tsar goes on a hunt we have a shadow knife lodge itself in his heart while the guard are distracted. Easy, clean, no murder weapon.
Parabola
Divided Loyalties Librarian
- Location
- The Destination of Fate
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- She/Her
The argument could be made that it's either assassination or letting a civil war happen, and that between bad and worse, you should pick bad. It's definitely horrible ethically anyway, but the Grey Order exists to do things other people can't be trusted with.
I'm for doing it, if just to avoid a civil war which would weaken Kislev before the next Everchosen comes.
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- Location
- Washington
Broadly speaking a king is Chief General, Chief Judge, Chief Priest, albeit way less so that last one in Warhammer a lot of the time. The current Tzar certainly isn't ideal but a Tzar who chief generals the FUCK out of things is in fact doing his duties, even if he's monofocusing on a specific subset of things.
All that being said I certainly lean towards accepting this, but that's more on the basis of "Boris is going to do this regardless and this is less messy."
Re: the ice witches even if the ice witches hate the Tzar, UNLESS you think Boris is having his dad killed you would still expect him to be fairly upset about his dad being assassinated (if nothing else it raises the idea of his own assassination), it's not unreasonable that the moment they heard someone murdered the Tzar the ice witches will go "thank the ancient widow, but still let's go hunt down the killer to get even MORE of an in with the Tzar Boris."