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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Remarkable to me that this Gray Wizard quest has been going on for over five years and we're just now getting to our first overthrow of a foreign government. Long overdue, IMO, but it fills me with pride nevertheless. After this we should go knock over one of the really poorly run electorates, just for the hell of it.
 
I'd say we go for the assassination, but with some help from Regimand.

Mathilde became a Lady Magister because she helped liberate/save 2 Karaks, not because of how great she is at killing heads of state without anyone noticing.
 
picklepikkl said:
God, I wish we had based the Waystone Project in Kislev and it had never come to this.

There is nothing he would not do if it meant more Kislev and less Za, he said. It breaks my heart that he meant it.
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I wish we could tell him to play for time, that in a year we'll have something with some flash and bang.
Push comes to shove we take everyone we have up to praag and take a swing at just fixing it.
 
Oh, wow, this is convenient. We were just recently talking about opportunities for unsupervised Intrigue actions for Eike, as well as ones that might see her blooded...
 
So... what are the chances that Boris is another unwitting contender in the Everchosen bowl? A son willing to overthrow his father, or plunge the land into a civil war, is an opportunity for the Four to get their hooks in. And we already know Chaos will sell the idea of "take our powers and use them to oppose us." They probably haven't approached him yet, at least not seriously, but who knows how long that will last?
 
I'm leaning towards a hunt gone wrong. Hitting him with Melkoth's Miasma, or some other mind affecting spell in the middle of combat might be enough, and if we're sneaky enough it just looks like he lost a fight, even to his bodyguards.
 
Darth Crater said:
So... what are the chances that Boris is another unwitting contender in the Everchosen bowl? A son willing to overthrow his father, or plunge the land into a civil war, is an opportunity for the Four to get their hooks in. And we already know Chaos will sell the idea of "take our powers and use them to oppose us." They probably haven't approached him yet, at least not seriously, but who knows how long that will last?
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I'm not sure that Boney would be willing to turn one of his favorite Warhammer characters into a Chaos stooge.

Though he could probably bear it if he had too.
 
I'm not going to vote because this is super high stakes and I'm not really a day to day participant, but I'd like to assert that it should probably be assumed it'd be traced back to Mathilde eventually. It won't necessarily, but there's enough divine bullshit flying around in this setting that even a perfect murder might be uncovered.

That said it might be worth it anyway considering.
 
neutronium95 said:
I'm leaning towards a hunt gone wrong. Hitting him with Melkoth's Miasma, or some other mind affecting spell in the middle of combat might be enough, and if we're sneaky enough it just looks like he lost a fight, even to his bodyguards.
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This is the way.

A bewilder at the right moment, and the Tzar is simply too slow in combat, with many witnesses to his death. Completely natural causes, nothing suspicious, nothing to even suggest it wasn't just his natural tendencies finally catching up with him.

Simple, clean, open and shut.
 
horngeek said:
If this is the route we go I think the best route would be the old classic of 'hunting accident' ngl. Or accident during a battle.
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I feel like death in battle is probably the first or second strongest option, yeah.

The old king dies a hero, and those who feel remorse at his death are the ones to shout loudest that Kislev needs to be stronger against its enemies.

The only way it could be more suitable is it it was a Chaos Champion, Daemon, or something else directly seen as an omen of the corruption in the soil that did it.
 
Etranger said:
Remarkable to me that this Gray Wizard quest has been going on for over five years and we're just now getting to our first overthrow of a foreign government. Long overdue, IMO, but it fills me with pride nevertheless. After this we should go knock over one of the really poorly run electorates, just for the hell of it.
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I mean...you *COULD* say Castle Drakenhoof and Karak Eight Peaks were a *KIND* of foreign government.
 
Ragnar said:
This is the way.

A bewilder at the right moment, and the Tzar is simply too slow in combat, with many witnesses to his death. Completely natural causes, nothing suspicious, nothing to even suggest it wasn't just his natural tendencies finally catching up with him.

Simple, clean, open and shut.
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Yeah, I mean, do it right and even Boris might wonder if it was natural.
 
Ragnar said:
Will that leave visible marks on his skin or throat? The ideal assassination is one that looks nothing like an assassination.
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Boney said:
K / Throttling: Sends ropes of darkness a short distance to strangle the target. Lasts until you choose to stop or your concentration is broken.

- Without magical protection or supernatural toughness, the target is helpless from when the spell hits their throat.

- Can only be cast on living targets, and the ropes are insubstantial to everything but the target's throat, so it can't be interrupted except by magical means and can't be used to pull the target around.
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Spell doesn't really say. Not even clear if the shadow rope is on the inside or outside of the throat.
 
Byzantine said:
If this goes correctly I don't think the Kreml guard would ever even be aware we were there, let alone have a chance to stop us.
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Exactly my point.

Otrovik said:
They'd probably not know it was us, just that a magic user has shot the Tzar and figure they ought to do something about that.
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Why should they? Is the magic-user killing anyone else? No? Then what's the problem? Killing's over!

Seriously, you're thinking of the ice hags as loyal to an abstract concept of "Kislev" that is objectively harmed by the death of any tzar, regardless of who would replace him or what the existing tzar had done. The Kreml Guard may think that way, but every interaction we've had with the Ice Hags suggests that they don't.

I think you're greatly overestimating the risk that we'll get caught, the risk that the people remotely capable of catching us will even try to do so, and the risk that Mathilde will screw this up and do it in a way that makes it even plausible for those people capable of catching her to have a motivation to do so. Mathilde's options for assassination are very broad, and while she hasn't had as many opportunities to demonstrate them as some of her order, she's well trained.
 
Son of a…
So.
This is horrible. Horrible enough to make me wonder if Drycha was aware of something important.
But irregardless…
This is scary to think about. Yes and pray we get the good rolls as opposed to our luck running out…
That's unfortunately the better option I think.
I REALLY don't like that but…
Here's my problem.
I think Yes is good plan. What I don't like is just how much this feels like a thing a Vampire would tell us to do to get us in their power.
Even IF I assume that however…
Nothing will stop that Vampire from ripping Kislev a new one: Even if Mathilde were to have a revelation from all of humanity's gods and murder blend this vampire in front of her…
That's still the heir to the throne. Or in other words Kislev is still screwed/going to get messed up as a result.
And man, what a feather in the cap of EverChosen! Mathilde. Murdering the ruler of a nation dedicated to stopping Chaos and getting an in with the guy who would be ruling it at the same time..:
But.
No garuntees Kislev gets wrecked. Which means if we, with our clean hands do not become Everchosen and then get to sit on the title, Bolvar Lich-King style…
And it would be easy. No magic to stop us. We won't even necessarily need Brandlehine or the Seed in Mathy's hand.
It feels so easy, too easy…
But again, if we don't…
 
Personally I love how we kept unintentionally making a case for why we should be everchosen with our actions! What scream chaos more than killing the leader of kislev :V
 
Awetduck said:
Hey Boss, turns out Kislev owes me their continued existence. Anything you want to capitalize on there? Cause I want them to ship all their magically capable boys south instead of killing them.
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They already send most of the boys south IIRC, at least for quest canon.

Mopman43 said:
But then again, maybe we'd have just put him and Johann in the same room for long periods of time and trusted him to work his magic?
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No, I think this would have required Anton.

Darth Crater said:
So... what are the chances that Boris is another unwitting contender in the Everchosen bowl? A son willing to overthrow his father, or plunge the land into a civil war, is an opportunity for the Four to get their hooks in. And we already know Chaos will sell the idea of "take our powers and use them to oppose us." They probably haven't approached him yet, at least not seriously, but who knows how long that will last?
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...If Talabheim was Alberich vs Alric, then maybe Ostermark was Drycha vs Boris. I can see it. We already know Chaos likes the idea of turning people who hate Them to Their service.

Like. If we don't do this then Boris is going to personally commit patricide. Chaos would love that shit. The loyal son, turned against his father.
 
I'm going to vote for what I want to see, not what I think is the optimal choice in character.

Part of what I enjoy about this quest is lowercase-c chaos, and an assassination is that.
 
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