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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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It appears that our Nuln books have arrived - or some of them, at least.
Boney said:
Natural Science

Astronomy +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial
Chemistry +8 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive and Obscure Dwarven
Geography +7 - Extensive and Obscure Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Dwarven
Logic +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial
Mathematics +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial
Physics +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial

Geography
The Old World +9 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive and Antiquarian Dwarven


Social Science

Ethics +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial
Law +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial
Literature +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial
Music +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial
Philosophy +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial
Rhetoric +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial
Theology +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial

Civilized Realms
The City-States of Tilea +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial
The Druchii of Naggaroth +4 - Extensive Imperial / Extensive Bretonnian
The Estalian Kingdoms +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial

Enemies of Man
Vampires +9 - Extensive and Obscure Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Bretonnian / Extensive Dwarven / Obscure Vampiric


Applied Science

War and Combat
Strategy +2 - Extensive Imperial
Tactics +3 - Extensive Imperial / Skaven


Divinity

Old World Pantheon
Myrmidia, Goddess of Civilization and its Defence +3 - Extensive and Obscure Imperial
Rhya, Earth Mother +3 - Extensive and Obscure Imperial
Sigmar Heldenhammer +3 - Extensive and Obscure Imperial
Taal, King of the Wild +3 - Extensive and Obscure Imperial
Ulric, God of Winter and Wolves +3 - Extensive and Obscure Imperial
Verena, Goddess of Wisdom and Justice +3 - Extensive and Obscure Imperial
Gods of the Halflings +1 - Imperial

Cadai and Cytherai
Khaine, the Bloody-Handed God +1 - Imperial
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To those keeping count, that's 87 BOÖK (I think, I didn't double check), which is the equivalent of 4350 gold worth of books, and which is very close to what we can get out of three optimal Barak Varr purchases in value, except obviously for a way wider variety of topics than that option allows.

Going by section, the summary of the changes is as follows:

Natural Science
We basically got a back-fill on the Imperial part of our Natural Science section, which actually isn't a lot since we already had most of those books, and we also got 3 new topics.

Social Science
As far as cultures go, we now have books on all of the Old World polities (Tilea and Estalia were previously missing). We also got a little more on the Druchii.
As far as actul social sciences topics go, that section went from nearly non-existent (just lingusitcs and trade) to pretty damn good, giving us the full Imperial collection on 7 new topics.

War and Combat:
This section continues to suck, and will likely remain sucky until we copy our Myrmidian books, but at least we now have some Imperial books to keep our Skaven books company.

Religion:
We now have books on the entire major Old World pantheon, unfortunately including Sigmar and Khaine. We now have at least +3 on all of those Gods, except The Lady and Shallya (Shallya is kind of surprising actually, is that an oversight or is there a reason for a lack of Shallyan books in Nuln university?) and Khaine. Also a bit on the Halfling pantheon.

(@Boney the bonus for vampires should be +11 now)
 
I really look forward to when people will start traveling to our library to access the books, like we seem to have one of the most extensive collections of lore on vampires in the old world at this point.
 
mathymancer said:
It appears that our Nuln books have arrived - or some of them, at least.

To those keeping count, that's 87 BOÖK (I think, I didn't double check), which is the equivalent of 4350 gold worth of books, and which is very close to what we can get out of three optimal Barak Varr purchases in value, except obviously for a way wider variety of topics than that option allows.

Going by section, the summary of the changes is as follows:

Natural Science
We basically got a back-fill on the Imperial part of our Natural Science section, which actually isn't a lot since we already had most of those books, and we also got 3 new topics.

Social Science
As far as cultures go, we now have books on all of the Old World polities (Tilea and Estalia were previously missing). We also got a little more on the Druchii.
As far as actul social sciences topics go, that section went from nearly non-existent (just lingusitcs and trade) to pretty damn good, giving us the full Imperial collection on 7 new topics.

War and Combat:
This section continues to suck, and will likely remain sucky until we copy our Myrmidian books, but at least we now have some Imperial books to keep our Skaven books company.

Religion:
We now have books on the entire major Old World pantheon, unfortunately including Sigmar and Khaine. We now have at least +3 on all of those Gods, except The Lady and Shallya (Shallya is kind of surprising actually, is that an oversight or is there a reason for a lack of Shallyan books in Nuln university?) and Khaine. Also a bit on the Halfling pantheon.

(@Boney the bonus for vampires should be +11 now)
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On this note...
Boney said:
Linguistic Drift in Lizardmen Glyphs (FRESH)
The Polyphenic Theory of Lizardmen Society (FRESH)
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Looks like the Lustrian rubbings and books paid off big time.
 
mathymancer said:
It appears that our Nuln books have arrived - or some of them, at least.

To those keeping count, that's 87 BOÖK (I think, I didn't double check), which is the equivalent of 4350 gold worth of books, and which is very close to what we can get out of three optimal Barak Varr purchases in value, except obviously for a way wider variety of topics than that option allows.

Going by section, the summary of the changes is as follows:

Natural Science
We basically got a back-fill on the Imperial part of our Natural Science section, which actually isn't a lot since we already had most of those books, and we also got 3 new topics.

Social Science
As far as cultures go, we now have books on all of the Old World polities (Tilea and Estalia were previously missing). We also got a little more on the Druchii.
As far as actul social sciences topics go, that section went from nearly non-existent (just lingusitcs and trade) to pretty damn good, giving us the full Imperial collection on 7 new topics.

War and Combat:
This section continues to suck, and will likely remain sucky until we copy our Myrmidian books, but at least we now have some Imperial books to keep our Skaven books company.

Religion:
We now have books on the entire major Old World pantheon, unfortunately including Sigmar and Khaine. We now have at least +3 on all of those Gods, except The Lady and Shallya (Shallya is kind of surprising actually, is that an oversight or is there a reason for a lack of Shallyan books in Nuln university?) and Khaine. Also a bit on the Halfling pantheon.

(@Boney the bonus for vampires should be +11 now)
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  • OK, well, I was wrong about how the copying action would work, we seem to have gotten the full corpus with one action. Unless I was right and there's more coming down the pike, Jesus Christ that's a lot of books.
  • The Tilea and Estalia books are great to have in case we WEB-MAT a mapping action or the Los Cabos nexus like we've been considering doing.
  • Backfill has gotten a lot less appealing now that we're at the point of CTRL C CTRL V on entire libraries, we just don't have a lot of incomplete topics. At this point I feel like our [LIBRARY] purchase votes should be targeted at specific topics we want, mostly disregarding monetary efficiency as a concern; this Library action gave us twice the monetary value of our last Backfill
  • I am going to advance the hypothesis, in which I'm about 65% confident, that there are actually books in the library that we didn't get because our scribes don't speak those languages. Unlike the Elementalists, who shoved their books at us, here we were making copies, and thus are bound by the ability of our copyists.
  • I think out-of-pocketing the rest of the Druchii books this turn would be a good move.
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    picklepikkl said:
    The thing you value, more than anything, is gaining the maximum amount of BÖÖK. You want more BÖÖK. You need more BÖÖK. Seeing those numbers go up and those topic headings fill out is one of the only experiences that makes you feel anything anymore on this bitch of an Earth. If you don't get more BÖÖK, the shakes will start. You care not from whence the pages turn, only that they turn. BÖÖK.
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Parabola said:
On this note...
Looks like the Lustrian rubbings and books paid off big time.
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I believe this is also new?
Boney said:
Linguistics, Advanced (1/3)
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picklepikkl said:
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  • OK, well, I was wrong about how the copying action would work, we seem to have gotten the full corpus with one action. Unless I was right and there's more coming down the pike, Jesus Christ that's a lot of books.
  • The Tilea and Estalia books are great to have in case we WEB-MAT a mapping action or the Los Cabos nexus like we've been considering doing.
  • Backfill has gotten a lot less appealing now that we're at the point of CTRL C CTRL V on entire libraries, we just don't have a lot of incomplete topics. At this point I feel like our [LIBRARY] purchase votes should be targeted at specific topics we want, mostly disregarding monetary efficiency as a concern; this Library action gave us twice the monetary value of our last Backfill
  • I am going to advance the hypothesis, in which I'm about 65% confident, that there are actually books in the library that we didn't get because our scribes don't speak those languages. Unlike the Elementalists, who shoved their books at us, here we were making copies, and thus are bound by the ability of our copyists.
  • I think out-of-pocketing the rest of the Druchii books this turn would be a good move.
  • This feels topical:
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  • Keep in mind that we only got Imperial books here. Mathilde's access to the libraries of the Karaz Ankor is probably a pretty unique advantage, comparable to her access to the great library of the Eonir, but we can't back-fill from the Library of Mournings. It might be best to think of the back-fill option as the "get a ton of dwarven books" option, with the Imperial back-fill being a slight bonus.
  • I am 100% certain that there are books in the library we didn't get - not just the ones you're talking about, though I agree about those, but also books that the library has and are in Reikspiel but we still didn't get because we already have them. Eyeballing it and going by some pretty conservative assumptions there's over 50 BOÖK of such overlap that doesn't show up in the count.
  • also I am bad at counting and have come up with 4 different total BOÖK counts during 4 different counting attempts, halp
  • There were some scribe options that know Classical and Old Reikspiel. Do you think books in those languages count as a different category from Imperial, or are there just topics on which the Imperial literature is mostly written in those languages?
 
picklepikkl said:
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  • OK, well, I was wrong about how the copying action would work, we seem to have gotten the full corpus with one action. Unless I was right and there's more coming down the pike, Jesus Christ that's a lot of books.
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The prior action about hiring an army's worth of scribes really wasn't lying.

I keep thinking of how we were told the Mootland Genealogical Library will send their books at some point, and they seem generally trustworthy, but they definitely do not have the scribes to do so quickly.

mathymancer said:
I believe this is also new?
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Yeah, that's definitely new too. Makes sense, given how linguistically complicated Eltharin is, and how it also involves Lizardman glyphs. Hopefully Eike learns some Linguistics too.

mathymancer said:
  • There were some scribe options that know Classical and Old Reikspiel. Do you think books in those languages count as a different category from Imperial, or are there just topics on which the Imperial literature is mostly written in those languages?
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I would assume they still count as still being Imperial, given that the main thing separating our books is their source, not their original language - like, I'm given to think most if not all of our Vampiric books are written in Reikspiel.

...Actually, now might be a good time to ask: @Boney if we wish to have our scribes learn new languages, is this the sort of thing that we need to spend an action on, to arrange the proper teachers coming over and holding lessons for our scribes?
 
Parabola said:
I keep thinking of how we were told the Mootland Genealogical Library will send their books at some point, and they seem generally trustworthy, but they definitely do not have the scribes to do so quickly.
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I had assumed that those were what are stored in
Other features:
The Halfling Annex - Halfling genealogical records and chronicles of the Mootland
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For other materials, we'd need to take the
[ ] - Begin copying the full corpus of a Partner Library. (specify which): The Mootland Genealogical Library action, as the materials that were prioritised for speedy copying (their family tree backups) have already been transferred and the negotiations for the rest of what they have were for access.
 
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IIRC the Mootland library will slowly feed us a trickle of books on the basis of individuals wanting copies of specific books, but it's really slow and we're better off having our scribes copy the entire library if we want their books in any practical span of time.
 
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StormySky's right. The annex is just family trees and stuff, which hobbits halflings are really fond of.

Boney said:
Rafin said:
What did/do the Quinsberry books add mechanically to our book lists by the way?
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They've yet to trickle in, but among the books on Halfling genealogy would be varying levels of Agriculture, Livestock, Cooking, Halfling Gods, Distilling, Archery, Geography, and whatever else it would seem appropriate to me for that library to have accumulated.
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mathymancer said:
  • Keep in mind that we only got Imperial books here. Mathilde's access to the libraries of the Karaz Ankor is probably a pretty unique advantage, comparable to her access to the great library of the Eonir, but we can't back-fill from the Library of Mournings. It might be best to think of the back-fill option as the "get a ton of dwarven books" option, with the Imperial back-fill being a slight bonus.
  • I am 100% certain that there are books in the library we didn't get - not just the ones you're talking about, though I agree about those, but also books that the library has and are in Reikspiel but we still didn't get because we already have them. Eyeballing it and going by some pretty conservative assumptions there's over 50 BOÖK of such overlap that doesn't show up in the count.
  • also I am bad at counting and have come up with 4 different total BOÖK counts during 4 different counting attempts, halp
  • There were some scribe options that know Classical and Old Reikspiel. Do you think books in those languages count as a different category from Imperial, or are there just topics on which the Imperial literature is mostly written in those languages?
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We'll get around to making library agreements with the Karaz Ankor eventually though - we're already planning on dealing with Vlag, though admittedly the dwarven books aren't the main draw, there.
 
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So which library are we copying next?

Boney said:
Partner Libraries:
The Mootland Genealogical Library

Copying Rights secured for:
Aquila Academy (Nuln)
Imperial School of Engineers (Nuln)
Imperial Gunnery School
Minor Colleges of Nuln

Serving as Archives to:
College of Elementalists
Grand University of Nuln
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I'd say either the Aquila Academy or the Minor Colleges. AA will get us a lot of military stuff, which seems to be a hole in the library at the moment, and I'm not too sure what the minor colleges would bring to the table—a lot of arts, crafts, and trades type of stuff, I think? The Gunnery School lives next door, so I don't think we're in any rush there, and we already have a very strong engineering section, although the School would expand related topics.
 
Honestly, when Mathilde's continued accumulation of BÖÖK is viewed in retrospect by someone years in the future, it's gonna be pretty intimidating. This one Grey Wizard just copying every tome and scroll and manuscript she can get her hands on for this library that she basically created, planned, and staffed all on her own.

At this point KAU might be one of the larger concentrations of knowledge in the Old World, or at least getting pretty close, after only a comparative handful of years in operation. And it's still growing. Wonder if we might start seeing passive intake, just from visitors or willing contributors drawn by the content, soon.
 
Speaking of Mathilde's obsession with BÖÖK and the accumlation/advancement of knowledge in general just how jealous is Verena that Ranald got Matty as a follower?

I mean come on Verena is literally the goddess of science and knowledge yet the soon to be greatest library in the Old World was made by a worshiper of Ranald of all dieties.
 
KingCrimson1081 said:
Speaking of Mathilde's obsession with BÖÖK and the accumlation/advancement of knowledge in general just how jealous is Verena that Ranald got Matty as a follower?

I mean come on Verena is literally the goddess of science and knowledge yet the soon to be greatest library in the Old World was made by a worshiper of Ranald of all dieties.
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Verena is laughing maniacally at her ambitions being furthered to this extent without having to lift a single finger herself.
 
StormySky said:
Hm, would spending actions on getting publishing contacts in different countries let us get more out of backfills?
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IIRC Boney said that we can only get Backfill on places where there's a big enough market for books, so it's location-specific - in this case, for Barak Varr. Other locations we probably could find enough interest for that is Marienburg, for instance, but also probably Erengrad, and maybe some locations in Tilea, and some other coastal cities? I'm not too sure.

Also important to consider is that we rolled a 100 when finding our Barak Varr contact. It's not guaranteed that we'll get a Backfill option for other places in the first place.

KingCrimson1081 said:
Speaking of Mathilde's obsession with BÖÖK and the accumlation/advancement of knowledge in general just how jealous is Verena that Ranald got Matty as a follower?

I mean come on Verena is literally the goddess of science and knowledge yet the soon to be greatest library in the Old World was made by a worshiper of Ranald of all dieties.
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I don't know. On the one hand, Verena is a practical goddess who has a sword and doesn't mess around, but on the other hand, I feel like Mathilde's life to some extent benefits from a god who likes to mess with her from time to time and play practical jokes.

She's also the goddess of Wisdom and Truth, and uh. Well, I'm certain Mathilde would have found a way to make it work for her (I recall Boney mentioning that a Celestial who worshiped Ranald would find a way to make that work out for them despite Ranald being a god of luck and that being a bit opposed to trying to see the future), but she'd be a really different individual, that's for sure. Probably more straightforward in a number of ways, probably never would have read the Liber Mortis, etc.
 
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