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How come Europe went down from how many men it could field from Roman times?
As others have said, one big point is that countries were just smaller. But over time there was also loss in administrative capacity, which makes assembling and supplying such a force impossible (feudalism is a solution to a lack of administrators, by having everyone administrate a small number of fairly independant Lords). There's also population factors, like a local cool phase meaning less food production, or stuff like the black plague killing lots of people (though plagues have a long history, including the black plague). But the occurrence everyone thinks of was bad. Like shockingly. Half the population gone, which is mind boggling if you think about it.
TL;DR: The Dark Ages happened.

Slightly longer answer—the Roman empire crumbled into several feuding warlord states, resulting in a sharp decline in education and learning, infrastructure, civil bureaucracy, and agricultural and industrial production. Many major cities were abandoned or destroyed by war, and the surviving population dispersed into small rural settlements.
This is very much not a settled question. In fact, it's still quite actively debated. The decline and fall you describe here is one position. And there is evidence for it, and it's true in at least some regard. But there is also solid evidence that it really was more of a transition. The rulers, especially at the european borders, didn't substantially change, because germanic people had been in high positions (up to and including emperor!) for a long time. The laws were often unchanged, as were the religion and many cultural aspects.

Dark ages is honestly a terrible name. It's like dark matter that way. Very much so, in fact, because dark here means "can't see shit". We have a lot less sources about the middle ages (which is itself a name that must be questioned), so they're dark in that sense. And some things were definitely lost. But it wasn't the shit smeared peasants you see in some Bretonnian depictions.

And of course, there's the fact that the roman empire went on trucking just fine after the end of the western roman empire for a pretty long time.
 
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It is a bit odd to me that there's so much general knowledge about the fall of the Roman empire, and so little about the the Hittites and Minoans and the rest of the bronze age empires.

I know the Persians had 100,000+ person armies when the Greek city-states were fielding a few hundred to a few thousand. I think that's because they were the former imperial heartlands?
 
It is a bit odd to me that there's so much general knowledge about the fall of the Roman empire, and so little about the the Hittites and Minoans and the rest of the bronze age empires.

I know the Persians had 100,000+ person armies when the Greek city-states were fielding a few hundred to a few thousand. I think that's because they were the former imperial heartlands?
The Achaemenid Empire was ungodly huge. The Roman Empire was 3.4 million square kilometers at its height. The Achaemenid Empire was 5.5 million. It was also better at doing things like raising armies compared to the Greek poleis.
 
It is a bit odd to me that there's so much general knowledge about the fall of the Roman empire, and so little about the the Hittites and Minoans and the rest of the bronze age empires.

I know the Persians had 100,000+ person armies when the Greek city-states were fielding a few hundred to a few thousand. I think that's because they were the former imperial heartlands?
A big part of it is simply that the Romans were far more recent, so there's been less time for things to be lost. The City of Rome was founded in 753 BCE, the Western Roman Empire fell in 476 CE, and Eastern Rome fell in 1453 CE. That's a roughly two thousand year span, and it's only been a few centuries since the latter half of it. Meanwhile, the bronze age collapse was around 1200 BCE, so the closest time period we can study is over three thousand years ago.
 
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The Achaemenid Empire was ungodly huge. The Roman Empire was 3.4 million square kilometers at its height. The Achaemenid Empire was 5.5 million. It was also better at doing things like raising armies compared to the Greek poleis.
I believe I've heard before that the Achaemenid Empire had the largest percentage of the existing human population under it's rule of any Empire in history?
 
It is a bit odd to me that there's so much general knowledge about the fall of the Roman empire, and so little about the the Hittites and Minoans and the rest of the bronze age empires.
In the case of the Minoans, the biggest issue is that we can't read their writing. They wrote in a script that we have referred to as Linear A, and we have some amount of their writing, but no one has ever been able to translate it.

In general, I think the main reason we know so much about the Romans is because the successors to the Romans preserved books from Roman times. Literacy dropped substantially when the Empire collapsed, but enough survived in monastaries and similar that writing itself didn't disappear, so Roman works were preserved.

In the Bronze Age Collapse, writing straight-up vanished in Greece, for example. Nothing was preserved.
 
Whats the difference between what the Emperor can make into law on his own and what requires an Electors Meet to do?
 
Honestly probably mostly whether it's something most of the electors will go "uuuugh, i GUESS" when they hear about it rather than their first instinct being "fuck that," which means it also depends at least in part on the specific electors who are around at that moment in time
 
Honestly probably mostly whether it's something most of the electors will go "uuuugh, i GUESS" when they hear about it rather than their first instinct being "fuck that," which means it also depends at least in part on the specific electors who are around at that moment in time
And specific emperor. Magnus the Pious got away with his massive reforms in no small part because he was, well, Magnus the Pious.
 
How come Europe went down from how many men it could field from Roman times?

On top of what everyone else is saying, I will add two final factors.

A. IIRC, some feudal authors wrote down only the names of the Important People, and it was simply common knowledge at the time that these people would also be bringing their fyrd, huscarls, mercenaries, the chivalric part of their court, so on and so forth. A force that seems to be maybe fifty strong on the surface, therefore, may have actually been near a thousand IRL.

B. Ancient authors made shit up to sound good. Chinese civil wars and Persian conquests probably involved an awe inspiring number of soldiers and warriors, but.. perhaps not that many soldiers and warriors.
 
Whats the difference between what the Emperor can make into law on his own and what requires an Electors Meet to do?
Anything that won't result in an Electors' Meet. As in, if they don't decided to elect a new one.

There's obviously finer details. You might get away with it but pay have them make you pay in some other way, because the political cost is still there. Just about all the time, this is the actual reason. It doesn't have to be formal Meet, though, just backroom talks about getting support.

The other thing is that just because you write a law doesn't mean the law will actually be enforced. If you hold an Electors Meet you can get buy-in, so even if one doesn't like it, they'll fall in line because it was decided by the group as a whole.
 
To be fair China and East Asia in general would have higher numbers as their staple crop, rice, has higher yields then wheat for the same area of farmland. So some disparity is expected
 
You know Mathilde is a pretty non-standard Grey Wizard in a lot of ways, wonder how a Mathilde in the other colleges would have been like?

For example would she have been a healer wizard are a Bright Wizard?
We have (a younger) Mathilde's reflections on that question:
"Do you ever wish-" Panoramia cuts herself off. But it's a fair question.

"I wasn't born a Dame. If I didn't have magic, I'd be in a thatch hut on a tiny farm, probably on my fifth or sixth child right now, unless a plague or a famine or some roaming terror from Sylvania had carried me off." That's the easy part of the question, but it's not what she was asking. What if you weren't of the Grey? "I love Ulgu, but I probably would have loved any other Wind if I'd ended up elsewhere. The duties of the Grey Order are possibly the heaviest - except maybe Shyish." A nod of accord from all. Nobody envied the Amethyst Order. "I'd probably be happy amongst the Gold," you say, nodding at Maximilian. "Just before my Magister examination, I realized I could be happy if all I focused on was learning all I could - as long as I had someone else write my papers for me." You nod to Esbern and Seija. "And the Amber... I've spent a lot of days on the back of my Shadowhorse, and I've found the wild can be addictive. If I had thinking company instead of magic in the shape of a horse, I might want to spend my entire life there." Finally, to Panoramia again. "As for Jade... I visited your College, once. It was beautiful. It would be nice if the products of my work was the same." You pause as your mind flits through the other options. Bright Order Mathilde? Likely even more at home on a battlefield than you are already. Celestial and Light Order, though... no thanks. But you know better not to say those parts out loud.
Bright Order Mathilde possibly would have leaned further into the military leadership opportunities we've had (and any Wind-appropriate Traits). With our ambition, perhaps looking to be the first Wizard Reichsmarshall, or formalising WEBER (Warfare Execution Blitz Engagement and Reconnaissance) doctrine, or pushing the boundaries of integrating Karaz Ankor and Imperial and College forces on the battlefield.
 
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Whats the difference between what the Emperor can make into law on his own and what requires an Electors Meet to do?
The laws the emperor can pass on his own is exactly equal to a law that the elector counts won't go "fuck that". This of course depends of the emperor in question as well as the elector counts. The authority held by Magnus the pious and dietier 4 were vastly different. Magnus could revolutionize multiple fields of law with nary an objection while dieter would be hard pressed to pass a new tax
 
The laws the emperor can pass on his own is exactly equal to a law that the elector counts won't go "fuck that". This of course depends of the emperor in question as well as the elector counts. The authority held by Magnus the pious and dietier 4 were vastly different. Magnus could revolutionize multiple fields of law with nary an objection while dieter would be hard pressed to pass a new tax
And still Dieter managed to fuck up many parts of the empire and have those fuck up be "honored."
The moot is still independent.
A new emperor had to try and get Marienburg back
There are probably quite a few free cities now who have their freedom thanks to Dieter.
The emperor is very powerful because you need a plurality of elector counts to oppose it and that's difficult at the best of times.
 
And still Dieter managed to fuck up many parts of the empire and have those fuck up be "honored."
The moot is still independent.
A new emperor had to try and get Marienburg back
There are probably quite a few free cities now who have their freedom thanks to Dieter.
The emperor is very powerful because you need a plurality of elector counts to oppose it and that's difficult at the best of times.
Dieter didn't make the Moot independent. Partially because it's not independent and partially because the Moot was created as an Electoral Province in the 11th century IC by Ludwig II, shortly before he also gave the Cult of Sigmar an Electoral vote.
 
Dieter didn't make the Moot independent. Partially because it's not independent and partially because the Moot was created as an Electoral Province in the 11th century IC by Ludwig II, shortly before he also gave the Cult of Sigmar an Electoral vote.
This was because Ludwig's chef was a Halfling and he loved his food so much he made him the Moot Electoral representative. The Sigmarites also took advantage of Ludwig's love for food and fed him so much food he gave them Electoral powers.

His epithet was "Ludwig the Fat". There's a lot of things I have to say about the whole thing, but I'm going to assume he's referencing a real life historical figure or something and leave it at that.
 
This was because Ludwig's chef was a Halfling and he loved his food so much he made him the Moot Electoral representative. The Sigmarites also took advantage of Ludwig's love for food and fed him so much food he gave them Electoral powers.

His epithet was "Ludwig the Fat". There's a lot of things I have to say about the whole thing, but I'm going to assume he's referencing a real life historical figure or something and leave it at that.
Sounds like a direct inversion of Louis the Fat, the King of France that started the process of returning power to the crown, since at the time outside of the king's direct holdings, most of France's power was held by dukes and counts. Louis regained power that had been spread out and 'lost', kind-of rebuilt France, made a name for himself as a protector. Ludwig gave away power, relied on appeasing his electors and vassals, and just generally languished.

(Note that, for Louis the Fat, I think the epithet had more to do with metaphor and power than his actual weight. We can't really know whether he was 'fat', heavily-built, thin, or what.)
 
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