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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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A father turn sounds good, but I worry that it would be redundant on a forest of shadows action because Haletha and the Hedgewise already trust us, and we have no intention of breaking that trust.

Still, we need to use the father on a few other actions so I'm mostly okay with it, because there is a small amount of synergy anyway, and attracting the attention of two deities is probably a good idea.

Especially since the last time we were in the forest, it helped us fight Drycha.
 
Romv said:
Wow, "my" plan is winning? (All honors go to LawsOfRobotics for the plan I tweaked slightly)

Anyway, while I will not be changing who is involved with the Foundation investigation, I am not opposed to leaving Eike out of the Fog Path thing. She is going to be pretty busy.

So I turn to the thread at large for its crowd-born wisdom: should I do this?
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In general, don't change plans after a significant number of people have voted for it. If a change is truly that popular, it'll win when the variant plan gets pushed, just as your variant did.
 
Romv said:
Wow, "my" plan is winning? (All honors go to LawsOfRobotics for the plan I tweaked slightly)

Anyway, while I will not be changing who is involved with the Foundation investigation, I am not opposed to leaving Eike out of the Fog Path thing. She is going to be pretty busy.

So I turn to the thread at large for its crowd-born wisdom: should I do this?
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Please don't I think it's going to be useful for Eike to be there.
 
Romv said:
So I turn to the thread at large for its crowd-born wisdom: should I do this?
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I don't think so, being busy is not a bad thing on an apprenticeship, the whole idea is shadowing the Master around and learning from what they're doing, so a turn where there are a lot of actions that she can be a part of is a good thing. Also, with her Seen, not Heard trait getting her more experience with negotiations is a good thing for her I think.
 
picklepikkl said:
663 votes, for Choosing a Future post-Dum. And the runner up was 630 votes, for Truth vs Faith. I don't remember third place offhand, I'd have to go look.

This quest is the single most engaged-in work on SV of any kind and it's not particularly close.
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Ironically, it turns out there's some crossover between The Waystone Project and Markgraf of Eastern Stirland. (First and second in the vote.) Sylvania, being full of Dhar, is an excellent candidate for prototyping our first waystones. And as Markgraf, one of our most important jobs would have been figuring out ways to reduce all the Dhar in the environment. If we'd gone with the latter, we might have ended up inventing some kind of Tributaries, or recruiting the local swamp priests to try and drain the Dhar through swampland.
Romv said:
So I turn to the thread at large for its crowd-born wisdom: should I do this?
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There were some good counterarguments raised after I brought it up, so I'm at "maybe" now.
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
A father turn sounds good, but I worry that it would be redundant on a forest of shadows action because Haletha and the Hedgewise already trust us, and we have no intention of breaking that trust.
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This is only mostly true. The Nordland Hedgewise trust us, but we haven't interacted with the Ostland Hedgewise. Aksel definitely could get something out of them - especially since some Ostland families fled to Nordland - but this is the Hedgewise faction whose leadership would rather die out than supplement their ranks with Nordland Hedgewise, so we would probably need divine intervention to get their full cooperation. Which we're going to want, as most of the Forest of Shadows is in Ostland, and in all likelihood two out of three nexuses are there.
 
Boney said:
[ ] Waystone: Attempt to secure a supply of Titan-metal (NEW)
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Thinking about this again, while it doesn't make sense to do this until the investigation Johann and the Grey Lord are doing in the background finds success. After that it seems like it could be a cool WEBMAT adventure, the whole team could fly off in the Gyro-carriage and try to negotiate with Greasus.
 
Derpmind said:
There were some good counterarguments raised after I brought it up, so I'm at "maybe" now.
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I've decided to keep the plan as it is, because it does seem more fair, and I try to be fair.

I have however also edited my post with the plan to add a variant without Eike participating on the Fog Path (what's one more variant at this point?), so democracy can do its magic.

[] Plan Bring Running Shoes with Seviroscope, sparing Eike somewhat
 
Having Eike do 5 things in 6 months sounds okayish to me, especially when we break it down:

- Lustria rubbings. Mostly translation work, and Eike already speaks the language. Also Max is there, and he's a fiend for that type of work.
-windfall paper. This is Egrimm's project, and she'd mostly just be learning about windsight and how her's differs from others.
-enchanting and windherding. This is two big things, but they tie together and are developing what might be an important life skill for her. Again, Egrimm is there to help with the heavy lifting.
-eic negotiating. This would mostly be the work of Mathilde and the Hochlander. Algard may or may not turn up at some point because he has a thing for towers and magical super projects (although he may not appear until the construction stage).

So the only thing she's doing by herself are the enchanting lessons, every other task has Mathilde and another wizard on the project.

It's still a lot of stuff, but through the magic of teamwork, friendship, and having your own staff, means she should be fine-ish.

mathymancer said:
This is only mostly true. The Nordland Hedgewise trust us, but we haven't interacted with the Ostland Hedgewise. Aksel definitely could get something out of them - especially since some Ostland families fled to Nordland - but this is the Hedgewise faction whose leadership would rather die out than supplement their ranks with Nordland Hedgewise, so we would probably need divine intervention to get their full cooperation. Which we're going to want, as most of the Forest of Shadows is in Ostland, and in all likelihood two out of three nexuses are there.
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Yeah, okay, I'm convinced. Seems like a sound idea to me.
 
Romv said:
Wow, "my" plan is winning? (All honors go to LawsOfRobotics for the plan I tweaked slightly)

Anyway, while I will not be changing who is involved with the Foundation investigation, I am not opposed to leaving Eike out of the Fog Path thing. She is going to be pretty busy.

So I turn to the thread at large for its crowd-born wisdom: should I do this?
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You should not. I have no ground to stand on regarding editing plans that have been voted for (which I did during war turns in the Battle of the Caldera, and which I stand by as the correct thing to do at the time), but I think that four Eike actions plus the Eike study is not, like, an absurd jump up from three Eike actions plus the Eike study, which is what we've done with her so far. Furthermore, I think the EIC action is very useful for her, because it allows us to see the way we're using the EIC as distinct from the way her grandmother does it: not for profit or even for the pride of building a lasting prosocial institution, but to accomplish the Grey Order's goals of diplomacy and binding our allies closer together. That's what I want to teach her, much more than any particular magical technique.
Derpmind said:
Ironically, it turns out there's some crossover between The Waystone Project and Markgraf of Eastern Stirland. (First and second in the vote.) Sylvania, being full of Dhar, is an excellent candidate for prototyping our first waystones. And as Markgraf, one of our most important jobs would have been figuring out ways to reduce all the Dhar in the environment. If we'd gone with the latter, we might have ended up inventing some kind of Tributaries, or recruiting the local swamp priests to try and drain the Dhar through swampland.
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Mathilde and Markgraf Nyklaus actually talked about this some in that social action a while back. I agree completely that when we've got Waystone prototypes, Sylvania is where we should prototype them: we'll get support from both Roswita and Nyklaus, and thematically it's a giant win for Mathilde to come back to Sylvania fifteen years later and start fucking disintegrating the environmental circumstances that made it such a thorn in Abelhelm's side and ultimately killed him.

(Also, building on the Disdain for Sigmar discussion from a few days back, I really like the notion that, according to Kasmir, Sigmar had difficulty reaching into the tent because of how awful Sylvania is, right? So it's objectively very funny for Mathilde to be like "okay you miserable excuse for a god, I'm going to solve your problems for you because you're apparently too much of a baby to provide healing if there's Dhar in the air.")
mathymancer said:
This is only mostly true. The Nordland Hedgewise trust us, but we haven't interacted with the Ostland Hedgewise. Aksel definitely could get something out of them - especially since some Ostland families fled to Nordland - but this is the Hedgewise faction whose leadership would rather die out than supplement their ranks with Nordland Hedgewise, so we would probably need divine intervention to get their full cooperation. Which we're going to want, as most of the Forest of Shadows is in Ostland, and in all likelihood two out of three nexuses are there.
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I keep forgetting that these are different factions of Hedgewise; I haven't internalized a larger-scale map of what we're doing and where. Great points about the tension existing between them despite them both being Halethans.
 
Talking about Aksel trusting us, could we convince him them to let us copy their books under the promise to not share them with anyone who is not an Hedgewise? That way our library could serve as a permanent archive for them.
 
Retrueno said:
Talking about Aksel trusting us, could we convince him them to let us copy their books under the promise to not share them with anyone who is not an Hedgewise? That way our library could serve as a permanent archive for them.
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I'm not sure if they have many books, they're much more an oral tradition than a literary one.
 
Retrueno said:
Talking about Aksel trusting us, could we convince him them to let us copy their books under the promise to not share them with anyone who is not an Hedgewise? That way our library could serve as a permanent archive for them.
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Not sure they're a book kinda tradition, being a persecuted orally-transferred underground society type of thing.
 
dinomannitro6 said:
Well my Father plans do actually do apparitions, so you could add an approval vote for them, (well unless you want to have Gambler on it, or Whispering Darkness instead)
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Ah sorry, I'm still too interested in seeing Foundations done this turn (acutal prototype potential????? holyfuckballs), and was admittedly thinking of FULL BLOW FATHER turn with reaching out to more Hedge wise groups--potentially as part of looking into the Forrest of Shadows or Bras Keep--, testing The Lady theory, EiC expanding via Kalita, etc etc.
 
Would they even want a permanent archive of their work, on the opposite side of the continent, under the control of a foreign polity?

They might trust Mathilde to keep them secret, but what about the next Head Librarian, or the librarian after them? Will they trust King Belegar, or his heirs?
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
Would they even want a permanent archive of their work, on the opposite side of the continent, under the control of a foreign polity?

They might trust Mathilde to keep them secret, but what about the next Head Librarian, or the librarian after them? Will they trust King Belegar, or his heirs?
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If the problem is trust I feel Mathilde can make an extremely strong case about why Belegar and dwarves in general are trustworthy and why he and the future heirs would keep their word.

In the same way Mathilde can gurantee her instructions will be followed for the future head librarians.

Valmond said:
Asking for the Hedgewise secrets for our library feels like abusing the (magically/divinely compelled) trust we have.
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It's true we would benefit from it, but my primary motivation is to prevent further degradation of their craft. It has reached the point that right now the term 'Hedge Wizard' means bumpkin Wizard that doesn't know what they're doing, if this isn't a sign of how far their tradition has declined I don't know what it is.


That said, all of it hinges on the Hedgewise actually wanting to have an archive of their knowledge and traditions. If they do not, in the same way Dwarves do not write Guild Secrets, then there's nothing we can do about it, but I think offering it to them could be a nice thing to do.
 
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