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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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I suspect that spying on an apprentice from another order to determine if they need to be expunged is considered extremely rude, let alone doing it as a training exercise.

Besides, I'm sure Sofia is tired of people investigating her.

On another note, I'm going to reiterate my earlier idea of asking if she is "a woman of faith". She was made Pan's apprentice in response to her paper on Ghyranic worship, and whilst suppressing addiction with zealotry probably isn't the healthiest approach, it is perhaps something to try?
 
mathymancer said:
Mathilde has a pet Wolf. He is very cute, and Sofia has petting rights by virtue of being her girlfriend's apprentice.
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[] "Hello. I'm your Master's girlfriend. This is my familiar, Wolf." Mathilde exit scene. Que montage of Wolf (occasionally with acompanying Mathilde) hanging with Sofia for the next three months and hopefully gaining her friendship.
Boney said:
Do enough fighting with it or come up with an impressive enough addition to the style and advancing it further will become a possibility.
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Invent shadowsword spell. Train to dual-wield shadowsword and Branulhune. Become chuuni.
Gavin Prince said:
(Ulgu-Chamon-Hysh?)"
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I'd caution against doing three Winds anytime soon. Instead of two enchanters that both have to succeed, this makes it three enchanters that all have to succeed together, increasing the risk of failure (or miscast) immensely.

On the subject of having Eike learn enchanting so she can participate in Winherding: I really don't like it. At her level, she'll only be able to enchant Petty spells, and will be entirely sitting on the sidelines with no ability to contribute at all. That doesn't seem like a good path to teach her Windherding. Especially since the key component that makes Windherding possible is Mathilde's exceptional Windsight, and Eike's Windsight is still at a basic level. Maybe after a few years when she's leveled her Magic attribute more, when we can have her directly participate in making a Windherding enchantment.
 
For Sofia, I really don't think we have to bring up any threats at all, even to "get them out of the way." She's no fool, a Grey Magister Lord is enough of an implicit threat all of its own, and literally nothing we say will change or mitigate that.

I'd prefer to just do something like this:

[] Welcome Sofia to the Karak Eight Peaks Wizarding community.
-[] Tell her she'd welcome to come ask questions and peruse the library (pending Panoramia's approval for any magical subjects)
-[] Emphasise that whatever troubles she's had in the past, this is an opportunity to leave them in the past with a mostly fresh slate.

We aren't her Master, leave the door open for a relationship but don't force anything. She's had a rough time of it from many different angles, but Karak Eight Peaks is far from Altdorf; she can reinvent herself here.
 
Deathbybunnies said:
For Sofia, I really don't think we have to bring up any threats at all, even to "get them out of the way." She's no fool, a Grey Magister Lord is enough of an implicit threat all of its own, and literally nothing we say will change or mitigate that.

I'd prefer to just do something like this:

[] Welcome Sofia to the Karak Eight Peaks Wizarding community.
-[] Tell her she'd welcome to come ask questions and peruse the library (pending Panoramia's approval for any magical subjects)
-[] Emphasise that whatever troubles she's had in the past, this is an opportunity to leave them in the past with a mostly fresh slate.

We aren't her Master, leave the door open for a relationship but don't force anything. She's had a rough time of it from many different angles, but Karak Eight Peaks is far from Altdorf; she can reinvent herself here.
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I strongly support something like this (though I will point out that if you're going to do a vote with a title and then -[] subvotes, for the sake of the tally you should start the title with Plan because it's a magic word the tally picks up). I had been considering something very similar myself:

[] Plan K8P Is Special
-[] Introduce self as Panoramia's romantic partner
-[] Explain that Karak Eight Peaks has been a good place for wizards who, for one reason or another, were uncomfortable in Altdorf to develop their unique talents and interests, Mathilde included

I don't want to be overly trauma-dumpy on the poor girl -- with the massive power imbalance in play, that's just an inherently uncomfortable position for her -- and I certainly don't want to make the subtext text wrt the Sword of Judgement. When we were Belegar's Loremaster, we were responsible for the local Wizards and did our best to support them materially and emotionally. As far as I am concerned, this is more of the same. So I'll be approval-voting anything straightforward, simple, and welcoming.
 
BurnNote said:
Mathilde is not an exception where constantly questioning (aka 'paranoia', though it's not quite the same) is concerned. I think by the nature Ulgu, it's hard not to, it only needs to be pointed at peiple, which I believe has already happened because of her upbringing and prior training. Mathilde just needs to make sure she's good enough.
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Yeah, we do have paranoia. But we've recently been in places it's not needed (with dwarves). We gotta remember that it's necessary for a spy, and make sure to teach Eike. Could we ask Regimand for help/ideas next social?

As for warning Sofia? Why would we? Seriously, in what way does this help us? If she does do bad stuff, a warning ahead of time just makes her more suspicious of us, which means that we will have a harder time catching her doing bad stuff. If she's not, its poisoned a relationship.

Keep your enemies closer and all that. It's what we did with Eggrim.
 
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picklepikkl said:
I strongly support something like this (though I will point out that if you're going to do a vote with a title and then -[] subvotes, for the sake of the tally you should start the title with Plan because it's a magic word the tally picks up). I had been considering something very similar myself:

[] Plan K8P Is Special
-[] Introduce self as Panoramia's romantic partner
-[] Explain that Karak Eight Peaks has been a good place for wizards who, for one reason or another, were uncomfortable in Altdorf to develop their unique talents and interests, Mathilde included

I don't want to be overly trauma-dumpy on the poor girl -- with the massive power imbalance in play, that's just an inherently uncomfortable position for her -- and I certainly don't want to make the subtext text wrt the Sword of Judgement. When we were Belegar's Loremaster, we were responsible for the local Wizards and did our best to support them materially and emotionally. As far as I am concerned, this is more of the same. So I'll be approval-voting anything straightforward, simple, and welcoming.
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I would suggest explicitly stating Mathilde is here because Sofia's master is her girlfriend. It won't be fully believed, but it should help frame the meeting, and set the context for the relationship.
Abhorsen said:
Yeah, we do have paranoia. But we've recently been in places it's not needed (with dwarves). We gotta remember that it's necessary for a spy, and make sure to teach Eike. Could we ask Regimand for help/ideas next social?
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Mathilde has spent the last few years among the elves and wrangling wizards. She's been dealing with politics and uncertain motivations a lot more since the start of the project, so even if she was rusty after a decade of dwarfs, she's not anymore.
 
picklepikkl said:
I strongly support something like this (though I will point out that if you're going to do a vote with a title and then -[] subvotes, for the sake of the tally you should start the title with Plan because it's a magic word the tally picks up). I had been considering something very similar myself:

[] Plan K8P Is Special
-[] Introduce self as Panoramia's romantic partner
-[] Explain that Karak Eight Peaks has been a good place for wizards who, for one reason or another, were uncomfortable in Altdorf to develop their unique talents and interests, Mathilde included

I don't want to be overly trauma-dumpy on the poor girl -- with the massive power imbalance in play, that's just an inherently uncomfortable position for her -- and I certainly don't want to make the subtext text wrt the Sword of Judgement. When we were Belegar's Loremaster, we were responsible for the local Wizards and did our best to support them materially and emotionally. As far as I am concerned, this is more of the same. So I'll be approval-voting anything straightforward, simple, and welcoming.
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I like this, not overly friendly but not trauma-dumpy or batmany. just implying that K8Ps is a place for 2nd, and even 1st chances.

but the unsaid, 'just remember I'm around.' by, you know, being the one to tell her.
 
Retrueno said:
Talking about Windsight I don't get why we aren't having Wine focus study it. Considering it is one of, if not the most, important skill Mathilde has.
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I think we need a bit more than just 'tell her to go study Windsight'.

If we want her to practice with her Windsight, we need to involve her in relevant actions. Which is the main reason I wanted her on Windherding.
 
Retrueno said:
Talking about Windsight I don't get why we aren't having Wine focus study it. Considering it is one of, if not the most, important skill Mathilde has.
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If you could study to get better at Windsight, Mathilde's Windsight wouldn't be as exceptional as it is; comparable levels of magical perception would be significantly more common in the Colleges. You can't just go stare at magic and get better at Windsight unless you're literally Volans and do it nonstop for decades (and even then it is probably not a guarantee). Our Windsight is due to a Trait, not due to Skills.

Now, maybe we'll get lucky and Eike will pick up Windreader, the earlier version of our Windsage Trait. But she's not going to get there by being told to stare at magic. That's not how we got it; we got it through a moment of mystical insight. Satori, if you feel like being pretentious (which I often do).
Mopman43 said:
I think we need a bit more than just 'tell her to go study Windsight'.

If we want her to practice with her Windsight, we need to involve her in relevant actions. Which is the main reason I wanted her on Windherding.
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Yeah, this. Involve her in actions where the Winds are doing complicated and subtle things and hopefully she'll figure out how to perceive them better. It's up to Boney and the dice from there.
BurnNote said:
I would suggest explicitly stating Mathilde is here because Sofia's master is her girlfriend. It won't be fully believed, but it should help frame the meeting, and set the context for the relationship.
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I'm a little divided on this, because I think we would also prioritize meeting the Apprentice of any other K8P wizard (which at this point I guess would just be the Golden boys, since the other three are all still Journeymen), and I kind of want to emphasize the K8P community aspect? But I get where you're coming from.
 
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picklepikkl said:
If you could study to get better at Windsight, Mathilde's Windsight wouldn't be as exceptional as it is; comparable levels of magical perception would be significantly more common in the Colleges. You can't just go stare at magic and get better at Windsight unless you're literally Volans and do it nonstop for decades (and even then it is probably not a guarantee). Our Windsight is due to a Trait, not due to Skills.

Now, maybe we'll get lucky and Eike will pick up Windreader, the earlier version of our Windsage Trait. But she's not going to get there by being told to stare at magic. That's not how we got it; we got it through a moment of mystical insight. Satori, if you feel like being pretentious (which I often do).
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We did help Johann train his Windsight, but that had the substantial external push of 'trying to overcome sudden blindness'.

For Mathilde's 'aha' moment, it also relied on a book written by a genius that was strongly compatible with her form of Windsight. Eike's is a bit more esoteric.

Actually, has it been established if Eike's Windsight is intuitive or emotive?
 
Gavin Prince said:
Guard of Steel / Mathilde's Mastered Aethyric Armor robes. With both Max and Eike learning enchanting, they can contribute each half while Mathilde Windherds.

Eike gets the robes to take on her Journey, having contributed heavily to their creation.
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While I like this idea or something like it in principle, in practice I'm concerned that any robes she makes right now would be worse for her than simply casting by the time she's going Journeying, particularly as she's very close to improving her Magic.
 
BurnNote said:
I would suggest explicitly stating Mathilde is here because Sofia's master is her girlfriend. It won't be fully believed, but it should help frame the meeting, and set the context for the relationship
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It may well just terrify her more, as it means this isn't a one off meeting and Mathidle will always be around and so a greater threat.
 
Windherder - That ball of light tossed at the deamon leader + shadow knives armor piercing to sneak the light spell through armor. Probably from a 'gun' forged by max with multiple loadable chambers for instant reload or different spells to sneak through. Each spell carved into a matrix in which the revolver cartridge and bullet replacement would be. The matrix filled in with a metal conductive to the wind of the spell you want to sneak through, have benedictions/stories to a god or gods in complementary matrixes in each cartridge. Replace dragonflask with one of the cartridges, I'm thinking three for balance reasons. Ball of light, dragonfire, teleport shadowknife spell.

I'm thinking hit something with ye ol' greatsword then revolver battlemagic spell armor piercing blunderbuss to the face.


Windherder - teleporting greatsword of deamon banishment for Engrimm. Add in the spells to make people want it a lot or not at all and make them toggleable.

We got the nightrider saddle, and we could teach him our sword style.
 
Personally, I would like to make

Jyn Ryvia said:
Shadow: Mantle of Mist/Death: Ward Against Abomination Enchantment:

The Dämmerlichtreiter thurible.
when Incense is burned within the Dämmerlichtreiter thurible the smoke that it releases carries the warding effect against the undead. a skilled user can almost blanket the walls of a small town or village in its glowing smoke for a night.
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and give it to markgraf Nyklaus.
 
Orbmorb said:
I'm not saying we shouldn't introduce Sophia to Wolf, but we should maybe put a little more thought into it
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I've seen a wolf in person, they really aren't all that big. The average wolf is, like, 70-100 lbs depending on gender and how big a wolf we're talking. That picture is probably legit, but it's due to huskies being smaller than you're probably thinking (they average around 35-60 lbs) not wolves being bigger. For comparison, wolves are about the size of a doberman (who also average around 70-100 lbs).

Now, Wolf specifically, IIRC is much larger than an ordinary wolf and introducing him should likely be done carefully...but actual wolves aren't all that big.
 
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Mopman43 said:
It still probably doesn't get around the 'mixing magic in your brain-meats drives you insane' issue.
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The way I'd probably do it is have them work sequentially. First you apply Inspiration. Then you use Law of Logic to examine the implications of the Inspiration, using Windherding to exploit the repulsion between the two different Winds to safely flush out any remnants of the first spell before the first takes effect, and then you cycle between them.
 
Alratan said:
The way I'd probably do it is have them work sequentially. First you apply Inspiration. Then you use Law of Logic to examine the implications of the Inspiration, using Windherding to exploit the repulsion between the two different Winds to safely flush out any remnants of the first spell before the first takes effect, and then you cycle between them.
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That is a lot of finicky magic for a dumb (as in not reactive) enchantment...
 
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