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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Retrueno said:
Otoh I am not sure how we would be able to steal many books at the same time...
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A two-dimensional space ought to be able to store information, so we just need to learn Pit of Shades and then modify it to suck in information instead of people. Oh, and not disperse that information after the spell ends, so that we can access it later.

Once we've done that, though, we can just pile the books up in the middle of the floor and cast it on them!

(Clearly this is a very sensible plan which has no risks or flaws.)
 
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LadySerpentine said:
A two-dimensional space ought to be able to store information, so we just need to learn Pit of Shades and then modify it to suck in information instead of people. Oh, and not disperse that information after the spell ends, so that we can access it later.

Once we've done that, though, we can just pile the books up in the middle of the floor and cast it on them!

(Clearly this is a very sensible plan which has no risks or flaws.)
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But why go through all that trouble when we can just throw AV and create a liminal realm right there and now... We only have to figure how to move it somehow!:V
 
Tasoli said:
Guarenteed is such an interesting word to use there. It is also completely ridicilus one
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Ehh. It's a pretty standard example of the law of large numbers.

The idea here is that each book heist can be represented as an independent random event, and as long as the chance to fail is not zero, then with an ever-increasing number of trials, the likelihood that at least one of those rolls will lead to failure approaches 1. Failure in this case being defined as 'implicating KAU.'
 
Tasoli said:
Guarenteed is such an interesting word to use there. It is also completely ridicilus one. Who the hell has time to watch our complete corpus for specific tomes and link that to thefts that happened on the other side of continent. Especially since we are likely to make copies and display those rather than the originials.

I wonder why they are not clearing out chaos cults from the entirety of the Old World. It should take them couple of weeks tops with that kind of presience they seem to have. Oh well I suppose catching small time thieves is so much more improtant that these hypotetical Super Sherlocks on Celestial Crack that does not exist will be focusing on it and blow the whole thing right away. That totally makes sense.

Or you know that might not happen.
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If you look at the entire clause, rather than just the part you're highlighting, that was actually a pretty hedged statement; saying we are "...basically guaranteed to get caught if we use Ranaldian networks to buff our library significantly." is very different to just saying "we are guaranteed to get caught".

Furthermore, the post itself addresses (in the same sentence) who is likely to be going through our corpus for tomes and make that connection: The academics who have traveled here from other parts of the world for the express purpose of studying using our corpus, some of whom may have been attracted to our library specifically because we have books that are no longer available to them more locally.

There's no need for a network of hypercompetent investigators with access to divination. The only necessary component is that the people who are most likely to use the library have been corresponding with their peers and notice some surprising overlap between our corpus and the list of texts that their friends and colleagues have been lamenting the loss of.

It could even be caused by someone legitimately attempting to help us; if a number of libraries start reporting thefts to those around them in case their collections get targeted too or someone shows up trying to make a sale, we're likely to get someone sent our way at some point, and that person would probably have a literal list of stolen books that they could easily notice bears a disturbing similarity to the list of rare works in our collection.
 
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Oh no.

You know how Eike's Seen but not Heard trait? And how her lack of a poker face is a way of compensating for that?

As Boney says:
Boney said:
From what she's learned about her, Mathilde would guess that Eike's openness isn't the cause of her relative weakness on diplo, but instead a coping mechanism to help mitigate the actual cause. She uses her desire to share her opinions and knowledge as a battering ram to get past the instinct to not draw attention.
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So.

Eike is an awkward person using her interests and knowledge as a way to bypass to her social anxieties.


... I don't suppose Eike plays a musical instrument, does she?
 
Humbaba said:
Edit: This is in reference to the fantastically stupid idea of trying to teach Saovir how to better use Dhar.

Or you know, we could not reveal our insight in a way that could get us comprehensively executed (or worse, pacified), tarnish our legacy forever including among the dwarves, potentially disband the Waystone project entirely and subject Eike to the most through possible scrutiny to maybe, possibly, perhaps teach an old and incredibly powerful elf how maybe augment his skill a tiny amount more by using an element Mathilde has no personal love for.
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This is completely wrong. We've confirmed with Boney that Mathilde could write up her Dhar insight to teach other Magisters, and the worst the Colleges would do is highly classify it so only very trusted Imperial Wizards would have access to it.

As a result, it would not result in Mathilde being pacified, or the Waystone project ending, or any of these other wood exaggerations.
 
LadySerpentine said:
If you look at the entire clause, rather than just the part you're highlighting, that was actually a pretty hedged statement; saying we are "...basically guaranteed to get caught if we use Ranaldian networks to buff our library significantly." is very different to just saying "we are guaranteed to get caught".

Furthermore, the post itself addresses (in the same sentence) who is likely to be going through our corpus for tomes and make that connection: The academics who have traveled here from other parts of the world for the express purpose of studying using our corpus, some of whom may have been attracted to our library specifically because we have books that are no longer available to them more locally.

There's no need for a network of hypercompetent investigators with access to divination. The only necessary component is that the people who are most likely to use the library have been corresponding with their peers and notice some surprising overlap between our corpus and the list of texts that their friends and colleagues have been lamenting the loss of.

It could even be caused by someone legitimately attempting to help us; if a number of libraries start reporting thefts to those around them in case their collections get targeted too or someone shows up trying to make a sale, we're likely to get someone sent our way at some point, and that person would probably have a literal list of stolen books that they could easily notice bears a disturbing similarity to the list of rare works in our collection.
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I have a hard time believing if someone loses their Obscure Ind books about Skaven for example and then more 5 years later we acquire ones people will connect the theft to us and that Mathilde won't be able to come up with a reason as for how she acquired those books.
 
Pi In The Sky said:
Since you seem to have anime knowledge, can you provide context on the person Boney posted here?
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Fake Wife (government assassin) to a fake Husband (international Spy) and fake step-mouther to the Fake husband's Fake daughter (mind reader experiment escaped)

The daughter is the only one that knows all the details, but she finds it hilarious.

The wife is also a giant goof when not fighting and killing.
 
Consider what the Coin can do, at the high end mind controlling an entire nation, and consider that Verena could have made her worshippers similarly powerful relics in her sphere of influence.
 
There's a horrific catch 22 with severe social anxiety, where being hypersensitive to anything that might cause social embarrassment means that a) you are absolutely fucking terrified of being cringe, and b) you can't actually tell if you're being cringe. Your cringe alarms are always blaring at maximum volume anyway so you have to override them to do any social interaction at all, and then while they're overridden you go and do something so absolutely mortifying that the memory will torment you for decades.

Bocchi the Rock is the only time I have ever seen this accurately depicted in any form of media.
 
The Phoenixian said:
Oh no.

You know how Eike's Seen but not Heard trait? And how her lack of a poker face is a way of compensating for that?

As Boney says:


So.

Eike is an awkward person using her interests and knowledge as a way to bypass to her social anxieties.


... I don't suppose Eike plays a musical instrument, does she?
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Oh no.

How long until Eike becomes a weirdly famous Grey Journeywoman known for being hypercompetent, but who is too shy to verify that she's that person?
 
Boney said:
There's a horrific catch 22 with severe social anxiety, where being hypersensitive to anything that might cause social embarrassment means that a) you are absolutely fucking terrified of being cringe, and b) you can't actually tell if you're being cringe. Your cringe alarms are always blaring at maximum volume anyway so you have to override them to do any social interaction at all, and then while they're overridden you go and do something so absolutely mortifying that the memory will torment you for decades.

Bocchi the Rock is the only time I have ever seen this accurately depicted in any form of media.
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I regularly have to stop watching regular shows because I'm cringing in sympathy for a character embarrassing themselves. I can never watch this show.
 
Boney said:
There's a horrific catch 22 with severe social anxiety, where being hypersensitive to anything that might cause social embarrassment means that a) you are absolutely fucking terrified of being cringe, and b) you can't actually tell if you're being cringe. Your cringe alarms are always blaring at maximum volume anyway so you have to override them to do any social interaction at all, and then while they're overridden you go and do something so absolutely mortifying that the memory will torment you for decades.

Bocchi the Rock is the only time I have ever seen this accurately depicted in any form of media.
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... I don't know if that's a recommendation to watch it, or a recommendation to avoid it.
 
BeepSmile said:
Thank you for this information.

I will never watch that show.
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Honestly, if you feel that way at the description, I might recommend it anyways.

At the very least, my experience with it is that it's delivery doesn't promote secondhand embarrassment I get from watching a lot of media so much as it promotes deep empathy.

Bocchi --- and the way the show handles her --- is someone you look at going through your own high school days and, rather than cringing, you feel a deepseated urge to sit down next to her and talk about how life is gonna go and how she can handle her feelings.
 
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