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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Considering we've already sold stuff to Ulthuan (Asarnil books), I really don't think it'd be impossible to find a way to buy stuff from them.
 
I am a little skeptical of any plan that involves the Asur sending trade ships to the seat of the Dawi naval presence -- I am pretty sure literally everyone involved is going to have strenuous objections -- but even if we can't negotiate an ongoing deal, the point of making one-off deals in Lothern's markets is well-taken. Cathayan and Nipponese books aren't useful to us unless we either learn the languages (our precious AP!) or pay high fees to have them translated (our precious, uh, money!), but books in Eltharin are valuable to us with no further investment. Is Druhir mutually intelligible with Eltharin the way Bretonnian is with Reikspiel?

(Also I wonder if we can use the EIC to make trade contacts in Erengrad and get Asur imports that way. Probably not, because the EIC is nowhere near Kislev afaik, though my grasp of Old World geography is pretty hazy.)
 
I am pretty sure that treaty is about Lustria trade rather than Ulthan since that is the starting point and it makes sense to me.
picklepikkl said:
I am a little skeptical of any plan that involves the Asur sending trade ships to the seat of the Dawi naval presence -- I am pretty sure literally everyone involved is going to have strenuous objections -- but even if we can't negotiate an ongoing deal, the point of making one-off deals in Lothern's markets is well-taken.
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We can hire human ships to carry our stuff at Barak Varr or at Lothern both if we want to.
 
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pucflek said:
Not necessarily. If Ranuld, a Burudin, category of runelords famed specifically for their immense age, trained Morek sometime after time of woes, it could make bit more sense. And even if not, Morek probably faced the same Dilemma as Kragg, except even worse. His master would´ve been not only a link to the Golden Age, but one of the oldest and greatest among them. When you are the sole heir of such personage, you can only take the best apprentice because of the sheer importance of whats in your mind.

So its entirely possible Morek spent three millenia waiting for someone like Kragg to appear, taught him all he possibly could and promptly died.
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I mean, it does, because Morek becomes a Master Runesmith at the beginning of the war. Ranuld then kills himself near the end, attempting to awaken the gronti-duraz.

I still find it unlikely that a Dwarf would live for that long. Kragg isn't alive because he's waiting for an apprentice (and the general attitude towards such seems to be that if the Dawi around aren't worthy, you just don't give up your secrets). Plus, Kragg doesn't really face much danger? Like, sure he fought in the Expedition to K8P, but generally it seems like he spends 90% of his time in a workshop, and little on a battlefield, whereas Morek would have had to survive the Time of Woes, which one assumes would ahev involved a great deal of fighting.
 
Alratan said:
The Dark Elves generally culturally disdain craft, Vaul is a disfavoured god reflecting the fact that crafting is a disfavoured activity. I don't think they focus on the kind of artisanal craft you're talking about. As a result they're unlikely to have the tools to make the tools for something like a ratling gun or the chemistry to process rubber into a gas mask.
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On the other hand the Dark Elves use crossbows where the High Elves don't. And they are numerous enough to have their own outliers.

MossPiglet said:
I still find the argument that road transport remains closer to riverine one, until you build canals, locks and tow-ways, straighten and tame the rivers compelling. In the 13th-14th centuries many English rivers haven't been used at all to transport goods at all, and more have only been used seasonally. Most sources that gave ratios at all either based them on the edict (or similarly controversial sources) or on the 1/2 source I found at first.
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What about German rivers though? I genuinely don't know enough economic history to say one way or the other, but that would probably be closer to the Empire's river system.
NHO said:
Why people want to trade with druchii???
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Why does anyone ever want to trade woth anyone else? Because we think they have stuff we want and also think that getting it peacefully is somehow beneficial.

Though OOC I also like how Boney wrote them and generally am a sucker for the exploration of strange cultures.
 
Humbaba said:
Well good news, because the point of any trading with the Druchii here is not trading with the Druchii. It's to demonstrate to Uluthan that there is potential for some larger deal to be struck between the Empire and the Druchii and they should hurry their asses up and drop a counter offer so we can drop the dark elves already.

Edit: I'm not even that bothered about taking any action making any trade with the druchii, especially given AP hell. I just find this line of argument silly.
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I think this is the key difference in our lines of thought. I don't think the Eonir opting to play both sides for diplomatic leverage makes it a good idea for Mathilde or the Empire to do the same. Unlike Laurelorn, we don't have the status of being a former colony that can offer legitimacy. I would view Ulthuan finding out as a failure state, not a goal.

It's been mentioned before that Ulthuan only has carrots to give us if we raise issues over Marienburg or the Waystone Project, but I don't think that still applies if we start publicly dealing with Druchii, in the same way that sending caravans openly to the Chaos Dwarves would make us rather less welcome in the Karaz Ankor.

Ideally, if it happens, we would avoid Ulthuan knowing anything about a Druchii trade deal at all. At the very least, I'm sure that we wouldn't want Nagarythe to find out about it before or during the elfcation.
 
picklepikkl said:
(Also I wonder if we can use the EIC to make trade contacts in Erengrad and get Asur imports that way. Probably not, because the EIC is nowhere near Kislev afaik, though my grasp of Old World geography is pretty hazy.)
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Yeah, the EIC is currently nowhere near Kislev. If the charcoal does end up going through Salkalten then the EIC will establish a presence in Salkalten, which depending on the map I'm looking at seems to be something like 80-100 miles away from Erengrad, and is connected by both a road and the Sea of Claws. There was also the idea of using Erengrad as a source for ores for Tor Lithanel, if that ends up happening then the EIC would establish some presence in Erengrad itself.
 
picklepikkl said:
(Also I wonder if we can use the EIC to make trade contacts in Erengrad and get Asur imports that way. Probably not, because the EIC is nowhere near Kislev afaik, though my grasp of Old World geography is pretty hazy.)
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It's true we don't have the EIC there (one of the possible rewards for the Battle of the Shirokij was establishing an EIC foothold there, and it noted that it was a difficult market for the Empire to get into), but I'm inclined to think that since a good number of traders and merchants in Kislev must worship Kalita, this would be a great fit for a Father-heavy turn.
 
Could the Polyglot trait serve as a base to create a translation spell with Ulgu? Maybe something that turns everyone you hear to the language the caster is most familiar with.
 
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HeWhoLurks said:
Could the Polyglot trait serve as a base to create a translation spell with Ulgu? Maybe something that turns everyone you hear to the language the caster is most familiar with.
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LightLan said:
No, since understanding is not part of the ulgu paradigm.

But a spell so your accent won't be noticed as strange is possible, I believe.
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Yeah, Boney said it'd be possible to do a spell that made people not notice that you didn't have subconscious cultural cues, because it's both directly Ulgu-y and also Xeno-affinity-y.

And that was before we had Polyglot, so presumably that would help a lot.

Edit: Presumably that could include Skaven not noticing you lacked the usual tail-gesticulations or scents or whatever. I wrote an omake on that, though it got a bit out of hand.
 
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pucflek said:
We cannot. The Treaty of Amity and Commerce means that Marienburg is the sole place where Elves trade New World Goods in the entire Old World, iirc.
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Cathay and Nippon aren't the New World. The New World is Lustria and Naggaroth.

13th Bee said:
If you want books from the other side of the planet, trade with the High Elves. They do actual trade a whole hell of a lot more than the Dark Elves do. You can get books that might've actually had their prior owners parting with them willingly. What's that? Mathilde doesn't have contacts with the High Elves? She barely has contacts with the Dark Elves for one, and for two the waystone project is almost certainly going to get their attention sooner or later, and for three she can make them on the Elfcation.
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It's very unlikely that foreign nations sell their magical texts as they're critical strategic secrets. That doesn't stop the dark elves stealing them though.
 
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Rafin said:
What about German rivers though? I genuinely don't know enough economic history to say one way or the other, but that would probably be closer to the Empire's river system.
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You only need to take one look at even a modern map of germany to see that most of our big cities are adjacent to rivers or the coast. In medieval times that was even more pronounced to the point that I cant think of one big or important city thats not on a river or coast. And thats with german rivers being not quite so large as the Reik river system and our road and forests being not quite so dangerous :D
 
Considering the Asur don't patrol the Far Sea, with the Druchii having free reign over there I find it hard to think the Asur will have many books from Cathay and Nippon.

Besides Druchii books, wrote by Druchii, can also be interesting. Like Druchii books about Lustria, or Skaven or Orks or other enemies of men.


And I genuinely don't think trading with them a few spices or non sensitive books for those is all that bad considering the good those books could do if we put them to use here.
 
LightLan said:
No, since understanding is not part of the ulgu paradigm.

But a spell so your accent won't be noticed as strange is possible, I believe.
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A spell to muddle someone's understanding of language seems a lot more workable. Not sure the use cases of it? Maybe if you have a prisoner you don't want dead but definitely don't want communicating either verbally or through writing?
 
Wiggy said:
A spell to muddle someone's understanding of language seems a lot more workable. Not sure the use cases of it? Maybe if you have a prisoner you don't want dead but definitely don't want communicating either verbally or through writing?
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If you already have them prisoner you can simply screen their visitors or messages, no magic needed.

Now hitting an army general with a case of "confusing orders" might be fun.
 
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