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Personally i do think the Asur would cave if confronted with a fully working waystone that is newly build. At that point the only thing holding them back would be pride and there are enough self-aware elf's that that shouldn't be the ultimate end outcome.
 
How can the Asur cave (or not) when they're not, institutionally, the ones in charge?

They can no more force Caledor to listen to us than we can.

Also, I suspect that the Kislevite and possibly dwarven segregated sub-networks don't actually drain magic from the world. They may well just change its form, but don't stop the overall magic level from rising, which is what's needed to stop the world drowning in magic.
 
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The opportunity to steal Marienburg's fleet without even having to muck around in Marienburg is certainly a plus side for Project Company Town. Maybe after a research sabbatical.
 
Algard: "Mathilde, your waystone project has been a massive success! You've weakened the forces of chaos, purged their strongholds, created strong alliances with our neighbours, and brought home a treasure trove of magical secrets! What are you planning to do next?"

Mathilde: "I'm going to run a company town on the Nordlander coastline."

Algard: "... I'm getting the demonchecker. And maybe the Bursar too."
"...I'm getting the demonchecker."
*Laughs in mischievous Ranaldite*
"And maybe the Bursar too."
*Screams in terrified Ranaldite*
 
Also, I suspect that the Kislevite and possibly dwarven segregated sub-networks don't actually drain magic from the world. They may well just change its form, but don't stop the overall magic level from rising, which is what's needed to stop the world drowning in magic.
Kislevite one is manually managed by Ancient Widow while Dwarven one uses it power to Runes of Valay that keep Karaks safe and probably spends power untill its gone back to warp since if it didn't rune of eternity would last forever without the waystones which it doesn't.
 
How can the Asur cave (or not) when they're not, institutionally, the ones in charge?

They can no more force Caledor to listen to us than we can.

Also, I suspect that the Kislevite and possibly dwarven segregated sub-networks don't actually drain magic from the world. They may well just change its form, but don't stop the overall magic level from rising, which is what's needed to stop the world drowning in magic.
Do you think caledor knows or cares about stuff going on on the outside? Because i personally doubt it. This elf has offered Hsi existence to protect the world and that's what he doing.
What he is not doing is checking every incoming call if it's a friendly or a not friendly. He has people for that. He trusts the elf's to understand that they need the network to function so he gave them the codes to authorize expansion or destruction. If you could have a full talk with caledor you might convince him that you also should have those codes... But we can't talk to him and the elf's definitely have the codes because they do reconnect waystones.
 
Kislevite one is manually managed by Ancient Widow while Dwarven one uses it power to Runes of Valay that keep Karaks safe and probably spends power untill its gone back to warp since if it didn't rune of eternity would last forever without the waystones which it doesn't.
The question that gets into is, "Does using magic (for spells and such) use up that magic the same as if it was shunted out with the Vortex, or is it just converted into a different form of magic that still contributes to daemon manifestation?"

In theory, if it's the first, then the function of the Vortex could be replaced by a sufficiently high wizards/m^2. Or magical infrastructure.
 
Hold on. If there are indeed special codes, shouldn't the Grey Lords, being Golden age Archmagi, know them as well?
The key thing is the Grey Lords were exiled Golden Age Archmagi. There's ways to magically remove memories in Warhammer, so it might be that Ulthuan didn't feel like taking chances that the folks who decided to try and enslave Ulthuan's oldest allies wouldn't also try to screw around with the Waystones 'in an hour of greatest need'.
 
The key thing is the Grey Lords were exiled Golden Age Archmagi. There's ways to magically remove memories in Warhammer, so it might be that Ulthuan didn't feel like taking chances that the folks who decided to try and enslave Ulthuan's oldest allies wouldn't also try to screw around with the Waystones 'in an hour of greatest need'.
I think the Dragon enslavement isn't a thing here, because Boney didn't know to read Brunner the Bounty Hunter.
 
In theory, if it's the first, then the function of the Vortex could be replaced by a sufficiently high wizards/m^2. Or magical infrastructure.
It has been answered Sartoi said you need to spend the Dhar as well and I think and the dwarven answer was even Kragg couldn't make runes fast enough to spend 1/10 of Altdorf if he were to spend rest of his likfe doing it. Rune of Eternity on the other hand is made by Ancestor Gods so it is capable of spending all that power while Ancient Widow is a godess.
 
It has been answered Sartoi said you need to spend the Dhar as well and I think and the dwarven answer was even Kragg couldn't make runes fast enough to spend 1/10 of Altdorf if he were to spend rest of his likfe doing it. Rune of Eternity on the other hand is made by Ancestor Gods so it is capable of spending all that power while Ancient Widow is a godess.
Sufficiently high might be in the realm of 1 wizard/m^2 over the entire world.

I'm not saying it's actually feasible.
 
It has been answered Sartoi said you need to spend the Dhar as well and I think and the dwarven answer was even Kragg couldn't make runes fast enough to spend 1/10 of Altdorf if he were to spend rest of his likfe doing it. Rune of Eternity on the other hand is made by Ancestor Gods so it is capable of spending all that power while Ancient Widow is a godess.
We don't actually know how much the rune of eternity consumes. We know it's a lot. And that it's enough to cover all karaks... But i seriously doubt it comes close to the gigantic magic strudel that's vacuuming up the juju.
 
We don't actually know how much the rune of eternity consumes. We know it's a lot. And that it's enough to cover all karaks... But i seriously doubt it comes close to the gigantic magic strudel that's vacuuming up the juju.
IT has flex room in that the more power there is more mega projects the Throne can activate and spend the power. And perhaps they can even add more megaprojects in the future to spend more untill it can replace the Vortex. Altough maybe not.
 
Enough that without K8P, Vlag and Dum there was a deficit.
True, though how much difference there is between "fully operational" and "fully topped up" is hard to say.
(Also i will say that vlag alone probably would have been able to restore the rune of eternity just through its location and the location of waystones up the chain. Their suuuuper northern and sipping energy directly from the chaos wastes is probably enough to power lots of shit.)
 
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Do you think caledor knows or cares about stuff going on on the outside? Because i personally doubt it. This elf has offered Hsi existence to protect the world and that's what he doing.
What he is not doing is checking every incoming call if it's a friendly or a not friendly. He has people for that. He trusts the elf's to understand that they need the network to function so he gave them the codes to authorize expansion or destruction. If you could have a full talk with caledor you might convince him that you also should have those codes... But we can't talk to him and the elf's definitely have the codes because they do reconnect waystones.
I mean, he canonically talked to Morathi once. It was entirely to threaten her about her really dumb plan, but he's theoretically capable.

We don't actually know how much the rune of eternity consumes. We know it's a lot. And that it's enough to cover all karaks... But i seriously doubt it comes close to the gigantic magic strudel that's vacuuming up the juju.
I doubt the Rune of Eternity uses much. It's a distribution and monitoring system, rather than a power hog. The other projects it's linked to seem to be what was actively draining the power.
 
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