pucflek
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I think we already brought the Kurgan beliefs up.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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The Empire in general was meant by 'we', and the combined forces of the Empire could find a solution to that problem if Asarnil aligned himself against it.
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And Cython rejected it without much thought as pointless celestial body worship. Mathilde on the other hand did manage to see some kind of divine presence, but her first idea was that it might be somehow Mathlann/Manann related (or at least it was what she'd use as excuse if an Imperial questions why she is studying a Chaos shrine). But what of neither is true? If Mathilde has credible evidence that the Kurgan moon deity is both a real divine presence and yet different and separate from the two most known western moon deities then that would be of interest to Cython.
pucflek
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When?
Right, its in flavour text.
But she doesn't, and won´t. Mathilde is unable to discern deities outside of her one friend and differentiating between Chaos/Classical/Greenskin. I guess we could give him the shrine to look it over with hopes that it can but eh.
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That's by looking at stuff for a few hours or a day at most (like when she tried to understand the Karak Dum desert god). Also, she is able to recognize divine signatures of deities she has imminent experience with, like Mork and Gazul. A month of dedicated study would (hopefully) include visiting an Eonir shrine of Lileath and an Empire temple of Manann. And at that point it's a matter of comparison and saying "I don't know what it is, but it's neither of those".
Does that matter?
I agree, and beyond that I think that even if it is Manann or Lileath that could tell something. As you pointed out, Cython said they don't believe the Kurgan worship Lileath, Cython doubted they worshipped anything, and yet here we are with a shrine to the moon that has the touch of the divine on it. And if we do identify the moon God as Lileath or Manann that might provide us with some insights into Lileath and Manann's nature. For example, if we look into Kurgan religion and find out that the Kurgan don't associate the worship of the moon with luck/dreams/forgiveness/prophecy, then the fact that Lileath nonetheless responds to their worship then that tells us something about Lileath's nature. Heck, the very fact that Lileath would be worshipped along the Chaos Gods might tell us something about Her.
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Prophecy is Tzeentch's domain, but otherwise it would not surprise me if they ascribe any of the other three to the moon. At the very least they might ascribe the calmer moods, like forgiveness, to it. Can't think of any other of the fifteen that would fit as an embodiment of anything like that. Not even Ghyran. "You look directly at me and I nack at you, yet I don't screw with you" is something that is antithesis to the Four and Morrslieb, isn't true for the Winds either and can't even be said about the mundane sun (although the sun shouldn't be quite as harsh that far north).
Damn. I'm getting sucked into one of my favorite background subjects again. Kurgan anthropology study when?
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When THE DOOMSLAYER arises and conquers our AP hell.
The Nehekharans attributed protection to their moon Goddess, seemingly from the contrast between Mannsleib and Morrslieb. But since the tribes aren't actually opposed to chaos and Morrsleib I think that you're right that they are likely to attribute calmness - or maybe just passivitiy - to the white moon.
I've gone back and looked at the conversation Mathilde had with a shaman of Mannsleib and I think it kind of supports this hypothesis, though obviously we can't generalize too much from a single brief encounter.
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I'm rereading the chapter where we meet the Yusak moon shaman. And I think back then I missed this tidbit. Now it might be that the Yusak had heard of us over the grapevine, or that their scouts clearly saw our vehicles and the shaman made an educated guess, but this might also have been evidence of some kind of foresight.
I've been meaning to do this for a while, but it keeps getting away from me. It's just a quick and messy table to visualise how we're using Waystone project members, to make sure that we're using them all effectively and not accidentally leaving any on the sidelines after asking them to abandon all of their personal projects to work with us.
Elrisse, Tocther, Hatalath, and Thorek all sat around twiddling their thumbs on turn 37 as we ran around trying to finish preparing for the project. Hatalath and Thorek probably didn't mind, because spending 6 months to set something up is probably quite hasty in their eyes, but Elrisse and Tochter probably had a lower tolerance for that. Thankfully nothing developed from that because we launched straight into foundations the following turn, but definitely something to keep in mind. Also a little worried about the rune thing, because it consisted of one committee meeting followed by Hatalath performing months of R&D all by himself, so I'm not sure if the others are feeling like they contributed to that or not, but I haven't seen anyone else seem worried by that, so I'm probably being anxious and paranoid for no reason.
| Member\Turn | T35 | T36 | T37 | T38 | T39 | T40 |
| Elrisse | N/A | Recruitment | Nothing | Foundations | Leylines | Rune |
| Egrimm | Golden Arm | Light Order | Windherding | Foundations | Mapping | Nexus/Rune |
| Tochter | N/A | Recruitment | Nothing | Foundations | Tributaries | Rune/Tributary |
| Max | Library | House Miriel | Ritual training | Foundations | Mapping | Nexus/Tributary/Greenskin papers |
| Johann | Kadoh | Golden Arm | Kislev | Foundations | Mapping | Nexus/Explore Tor Lithanel |
| Aksel | N/A | N/A | N/A | Foundations/Recruitment | Tributaries/Mapping | Tributary |
| Hatalath | Recruitment | Nothing | Nothing | Foundations | Leylines | Rune |
| Cadaeth | N/A | N/A | Recruitment | Foundations | Tributaries | Tributary |
| Sarvoi | N/A | N/A | N/A | Foundations/Recruitment | Leylines | Rune |
| Thorek | Recruitment | Nothing | Nothing | Foundations | Leylines | Rune |
| Niedzwenka | N/A | N/A | Recruitment | Foundations | Tributaries | Tributary |
| Zlata | N/A | N/A | Recruitment | Foundations | Tributaries | Tributary |
Elrisse, Tocther, Hatalath, and Thorek all sat around twiddling their thumbs on turn 37 as we ran around trying to finish preparing for the project. Hatalath and Thorek probably didn't mind, because spending 6 months to set something up is probably quite hasty in their eyes, but Elrisse and Tochter probably had a lower tolerance for that. Thankfully nothing developed from that because we launched straight into foundations the following turn, but definitely something to keep in mind. Also a little worried about the rune thing, because it consisted of one committee meeting followed by Hatalath performing months of R&D all by himself, so I'm not sure if the others are feeling like they contributed to that or not, but I haven't seen anyone else seem worried by that, so I'm probably being anxious and paranoid for no reason.
I'm not too worried about this, but if you are then you might want to consider that part of the reason people joined the project is to get the juicy magical secrets of the other factions. Maybe Elrisse doesn't feel like she really contributed to the rune study, but if she walked away from it with a greater understanding of magical theory (from seeing Hatalath's prototype) then she probably wouldn't consider it a waste of her time.
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Hold on a minute...
Now this is interesting. So first off, it might straight up not be like real life. Could be peanuts originate in the Old World like potatoes might. However, there's also the possibility that they came from Lustria.
WFRP 4e: Archives of the Empire, page 69
If peanuts were brought over by traders rather than native to the Old World, then it'd imply that the elves had colonies in Lustria and that the Old World colonists were connected to them, and thus might have books about the place. If so, they'd give us literal accounts of the place that predate anything else we have access to, bar whatever plaques are stolen by Old Worlders.
Not only that, but the Eonir have been noted to know something about the Old Ones. Between that and the Lustria contact, they might have information saying that the Lizardmen were connected to the Old Ones. Were Mathilde to ever read those books (though I don't think she has any cause to read books on Lustria), she'd be in a position to correct a misconception among the people of the Empire who believe the Lizardmen are conquerors and squatters of the temple-cities, rather than their original inhabitants.
I don't think any of this is actionable or even necessarily correct, just saw the word "peanuts" and that got me thinking about stuff.
Now this is interesting. So first off, it might straight up not be like real life. Could be peanuts originate in the Old World like potatoes might. However, there's also the possibility that they came from Lustria.
WFRP 4e: Archives of the Empire, page 69
Like fire peppers, peanuts could've come from overseas by elven traders. However, while peppers prefer warm weather, peanuts prefer hot weather, which means they aren't suitable for growing in the mountains, which explains why dwarves don't grow them. Evidently, however, they can be grown on the Empire's north coasts, and so presumably in the hotter, more southern portions of the Empire. Peanuts are easy to grow and rich in protein, so they'd be a good addition to the variety of crops the Empire cultivates. Laurelorn may have other crops that the Empire would be able to grow too.
If peanuts were brought over by traders rather than native to the Old World, then it'd imply that the elves had colonies in Lustria and that the Old World colonists were connected to them, and thus might have books about the place. If so, they'd give us literal accounts of the place that predate anything else we have access to, bar whatever plaques are stolen by Old Worlders.
Not only that, but the Eonir have been noted to know something about the Old Ones. Between that and the Lustria contact, they might have information saying that the Lizardmen were connected to the Old Ones. Were Mathilde to ever read those books (though I don't think she has any cause to read books on Lustria), she'd be in a position to correct a misconception among the people of the Empire who believe the Lizardmen are conquerors and squatters of the temple-cities, rather than their original inhabitants.
I don't think any of this is actionable or even necessarily correct, just saw the word "peanuts" and that got me thinking about stuff.
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Our studies show that the Waystone Rune just improves the conductivity of the Waystones, which explains how unruned Waystones can exist. But what's up with the black marble? Well, guess what else was built of black marble: The Black Pyramid of Nagash, which I'm pretty sure is a Waystone nexus.
Black is the colour of objects that absorb all colours, so perhaps the metaphysical implication is that black stone absorbs all colours of magic better than other stone? Maybe using black marble in the Obelisk of Laws compensated somewhat for not having the Waystone Rune, and maybe building Waystones out of black marble will improve their conductivity just as inlaying the Rune with better materials improves their conductivity. Assuming that this is true, one wonders why more Waystones aren't made of black marble. Possibly it just wasn't considered cost effective?
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Don't we already have a thread for that in the Tabletop Gaming sub-forum? A forum whose link I've never actually clicked on... *cough*
Mopman43
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There's an intermittently-updated fic rec thread, but if there's a general WHF thread on SV it's dead.Don't we already have a thread for that in the Tabletop Gaming sub-forum? A forum whose link I've never actually clicked on... *cough*
There's actually people here, so as long as Boney doesn't mind, I don't think there's anything wrong with talking about WH here even if the specific things discussed aren't immediately relevant to the quest (at least when there's no update/vote to discuss)
To quote a certain undead pirate: "You'd best start believing in Warhammer Fantasy General threads—You're in one."
Nagash once again getting more badass the more I learn about him and his stuff.
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It's possible black marble is too good at concentrating the winds in large quantities (and turning them to Dhar, which made it appealing to Nagash), but in smaller ones it's a suitable enough substitute for smaller waystones. This is just my own speculation here.
I'm actually not sure it would matter even if it did create Dhar. If all you care about is draining ambinet magic from the area it's not that important if some or all of it turns to Dhar, it's only if you want to use the Winds at some point that it matters. I suppose it's possible that the Belthani would've drawn Ghyran from the Waystones or something in which case they would care. Was it the Belthani who built the Obelisk of Laws? Did they draw Ghyran or other Winds from Waystones? Do we know the answer to either of these questions? Anyway, the point stands that drawing inspiration from necromancers for Waystone design is kind of a bad idea, because they can skip the whole "keep the Winds seperate" part of the design (except for Shyish, maybe? I think necromancers need just a bit of Shyish and a lot of Dhar but I'm not sure)
...oh, while we're talking about the Obelisk of Laws which is in Talabheim, I think we can add a fifth guess for the location of Cd, or at least for the location of Radixashen.
So...
- Radixashen joined with Rhya
- Radixashen "disappeared into the earth"
- There's a myth that Taal, Rhya's husband, killed a dragon and that the dragon's flesh mixed with the earth
I did consider Talabheim as a possible location for Cd, but I did some digging and found the elven name for it from before the war of the ancients:
Which doesn't fit the naming scheme. Still, the myth about a dragon does imply something happened, so that's a point in it's favour.
Which doesn't fit the naming scheme. Still, the myth about a dragon does imply something happened, so that's a point in it's favour.
Where Radixashen currently is or was last seen or whatever doesn't have to be Cd, and if Cd is anywhere in the Old World like we suspect it's not a huge stretch to say that at some point Radixashen hung out around Talabheim.
I can't help but notice that this myth is very similar to a myth about Draugnir, which says that he was killed by a Goddess of hunting and that his corpse was used to fashion a home for the people telling the myth. Maybe the Taleutens just mistranslated an elven myth?