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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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So does anyone actually worship Nethu? Guy seems like an afterthought, even moreso than other elven Gods that are clearly afterthougts. And If Gods represent facets of the elven soul, what is Nethu supposed to represent? Doing what your mother says? That feeling that you left the door open which causes you to go back and check that it is locked? Being into horses?

Cython believes that Nethu is Sokth, which is the treacherous God of poisoners, thieves, and assassins. It's hard to see the connection to Nethu, except that Sokth forbade stealing from the dead and His scorpions protected tombs, which I suppose is kind of fitting for a guardian of the afterlife. Also Nethu's rune is used by Druchii assassins, but I don't think Nethu really a God of assassin, and I can't see why He would be considered treacherous when His most defining feature is loyalty to His mother.

Hmm. Nethu's rune causes depression. Sokth's scorpions are specifically noted to cause paralysis, during which their victims are helpless to do anything to save them from their fate. If Nethu's deal is keeping elves in elf hell, maybe he represents the inevitability of negative eventualities, and the despair of realizing that your fate is sealed? Nethu=Narlog confirmed???
 
Mopman43 said:
Isn't it still there in AoS? Pretty sure I've heard that it is.
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AzrielIlluminare said:
So upon some further research, the Skaven technically still destroyed Morrslieb, because moving a moon close to a planet does bad things to both the planet and the moon. Morrslieb apparently decided 'fuck that' and now is a ghost moon... so ya know... moons haunting yo. (If this is wrong, I will scream, it took far too long to find just this, and I've never gotten around to reading the source material for AoS personally.)

Edit: For anyone who has it, the destruction of Morrslieb apparently happens in End Times IV: Thanquol which uh... also apparently has this happen:
'The warlock engineers soon discovered the Device of the Great Beyond, a communication apparatus that spoke to beings from beyond the stars. As they swirled its many dials, a querulous voice spoke through the stone speakers. That voice, fair and clear caused the Skaven to bolt away. The device was something like the far-squeaker, but the melodious tones that issued forth were, if anything, kin to the despised speech of the elf-things. As they did not understand the alien language, nor how the arcane contraption worked the warlock engineers pulled the device apart and shot it with warplock pistols until it stopped making any sounds.'
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AoS lore hound over here. This is my moment:
Codex said:
Shyish: Shyish has one moon, Lunaghast. It is a skull faced moon made of dark matter which feeds on secrets and empowers betrayers and madmen. It is the ghost of Morrisleb from the Old World.
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Morrisleb became Lunaghast, which is a ghost moon for the Realm of the Dead. Fitting.
 
If I had a nickel for each evil skull faced moon that's a harbinger of the end times and haunts a realm of the dead, I'd have two nickels.

Which isn't much, but it's weird that there's two of them.

(The other moon is Groetus, the Pathfinder god of the End Times. I've been really getting into Pathfinder recently).
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
Oh, wait: Zelda

It's both.
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Eh. That doesn't have the underworld element at all. It's just the visual...I don't think reusing cool visuals is creatively bankrupt.

Mopman43 said:
Archaon's been 'the Lord of the End Times' since at least 6th edition.

'End Times' is really not that uncommon a phrase.
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Right, we weren't really discussing that part, though. We were talking about a Skull-Faced Moon being seen over the land of the dead, though (something Groetus is and shows up in AoS).
 
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I don't think it's fair to accuse GW of stealing the concept of "evil death moon with a skull face"—it's very much an idea that could have arisen separately. Morrslieb itself dates back to the early years of Warhammer, and then there's the highly traumatising moon in Majora's Mask.

"End Times" is also a fairly common expression for the end of the world in various religions—which is probably why both GW and Paizo used it.

Now I'm actually wondering what the trope originator for "evil death moon" is. Most mythologies have fairly benign lunar deities. Probably lovecraftian if I had to guess? Or maybe it's just the fact that a full moon is a common aesthetic in gothic media, and having a gothic moon is just an evolution of that concept. Revelations claims that the moon will turn red prior to Jesus returning. And of course you have red moons and blood moons as real life phenomena.
 
I think every good fantasy setting deserves to have at least one weird and/or evil moon, or at least multiple normal-ish moons. A single sun is fine, but people deserve to look up at the night sky and be regaled with weirdness. Just saying.
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
Now I'm actually wondering what the trope originator for "evil death moon" is. Most mythologies have fairly benign lunar deities. Probably lovecraftian if I had to guess? Or maybe it's just the fact that a full moon is a common aesthetic in gothic media, and having a gothic moon is just an evolution of that concept. Revelations claims that the moon will turn red prior to Jesus returning. And of course you have red moons and blood moons as real life phenomena.
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The Aztec religion has Coyolxauhqui, the moon goddess who (along with 400 stars) constantly battles the sun god Huitzilopochtli and who will, if she ever wins, go on to destroy the earth.
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
I don't think it's fair to accuse GW of stealing the concept of "evil death moon with a skull face"—it's very much an idea that could have arisen separately. Morrslieb itself dates back to the early years of Warhammer, and then there's the highly traumatising moon in Majora's Mask.

"End Times" is also a fairly common expression for the end of the world in various religions—which is probably why both GW and Paizo used it.

Now I'm actually wondering what the trope originator for "evil death moon" is. Most mythologies have fairly benign lunar deities. Probably lovecraftian if I had to guess? Or maybe it's just the fact that a full moon is a common aesthetic in gothic media, and having a gothic moon is just an evolution of that concept. Revelations claims that the moon will turn red prior to Jesus returning. And of course you have red moons and blood moons as real life phenomena.
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The words 'lunatic' and 'lunacy' both refer to insanity related to/caused by the moon, and the etymology of those words goes back to the Romans, and probably the Greeks before them.
 
ReImagined said:
The words 'lunatic' and 'lunacy' both refer to insanity related to/caused by the moon, and the etymology of those words goes back to the Romans, and probably the Greeks before them.
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Nope. The Greek words for moon and madness were not related to Luna, and I don't thinkw ere related to each other in a way we know about.
 
ReImagined said:
Are they related to Selene? Roman mythology's relation to Greek mythology is often just taking the idea and using Latin names, so I'd find it hard to believe that Luna would have the link but not her Greek equivalent.
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I mean, Roman and Greek religion were actually very different and pop culture has just compressed it down to "the Romans changed the names a little", but in any case, the word for moon was, but the word for madness was not.
 
deathofrats0808 said:
I mean, Roman and Greek religion were actually very different and pop culture has just compressed it down to "the Romans changed the names a little", but in any case, the word for moon was, but the word for madness was not.
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I did some googling, the word I was thinking of was probably seléniazomai, which we would now translate as either 'to be moonstruck' or 'to be epileptic,' with the belief that epileptic symptoms were caused by the moon, and that seems largely equivalent to how lunacy/lunatic got started.
 
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