Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Ooh I like it. Can we specify which social options we take Eike to?
Personally I've got no idea who or what it could be, but notably there's no one from Laurelorn on our social list this turn. So maybe Marrisith or Hatalath finally? Or maybe the Asur have finally woken up and want to poke their noses into the waystone project.
Or maybe Algard is finally organising that intervention regarding our publishing history.
I assume that if it makes sense for Eike to be there, she'll be there, but otherwise the social isn't about her, it's about catching up with someone else.
Only if there's absolutely no Dwarves around.
No.
Siefenhugel is highlands.
Mathilde is not evaluating the world around her as an RPG setting.
A plumb bob, plumb bob level, or plummet, is a weight, usually with a pointed tip on the bottom, suspended from a string and used as a vertical reference line, or plumb-line.
No. She can't just slap it up on Fiverr. It would take more effort than its worth to set up the contacts and network to gather and coordinate the needed workers.
It does nothing to the souls of individual trees. It prevents the cumulative effect of that many souls coexisting in one place.
It's not engaged with the chain at all. It's been disconnected with the chain of nexuses to instead be used to transmit magic from the Dreaming Wood to reality.
Yes.
I generally need more to work with than 'point character A at character B'.
No. If I think of an interesting interaction for something that it makes sense for her to be along for, I'll throw her in.
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10ebbor10
DON'T PANIC
- Location
- Present
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
So, the nexus is currently stealing Ghyran from the local Dreaming Wood, rather than being part of the Waystone Network. Recreating this as a standalone magic shunt is probably a pipe dream, but if we managed it this could drastically change the Empire.
This drains the Dreaming Wood, but floods the local area with Ghyran. Ghyran, which in the normal course of things would be sucked up by the nearest Waystone. They didn't build 2 separate objects because one would invalidate the other. This is sort of a problem for any plans to cover the Empire in Waystones or these shunts. I guess you'd have to carefully plan for Ghyran-zones not to have active Waystones, and vice-versa.
On the bright side, if all you want is to drain your local gribbly wood of Ghur or Ulgu or whatnot, maybe you don't care so much if that magic gets sucked into the Network.
It's fascinating that they built a Waystone nexus to be able do this, rather than just building a separate magical shunt... oh.
This drains the Dreaming Wood, but floods the local area with Ghyran. Ghyran, which in the normal course of things would be sucked up by the nearest Waystone. They didn't build 2 separate objects because one would invalidate the other. This is sort of a problem for any plans to cover the Empire in Waystones or these shunts. I guess you'd have to carefully plan for Ghyran-zones not to have active Waystones, and vice-versa.
On the bright side, if all you want is to drain your local gribbly wood of Ghur or Ulgu or whatnot, maybe you don't care so much if that magic gets sucked into the Network.
That second quote isn't me - had a funny moment where I wondered if sleep deprivation had me posting and forgetting about it
- Location
- Leeds
I was curious about how many wizards we'd expect to see from orphans, someone check my maths here. However assuming that boney rolled for each and each needed a 100 on a d100.
AnyDice
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| Number of Wizards from a sample of 100 | Probability |
| 0 | 36.6% |
| 1 | 36.9% |
| 2 | 18.5% |
| 3 | 6.1% |
| 4 | 1.5% |
| 5 | 0.28% |
| 6 or more | 0.05% |
- Location
- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
Scribe options:
[ ] [SCRIBE] Cult of Scripsisti
[ ] [SCRIBE] Cult of Clio
I have a hard time seeing the practical differences between these two. I guess one would guarantee accuracy while the other would be more proactive for certain kinds of texts? Also, the first would vehemently oppose future printing presses, while the latter would be a deliberate snub of the former. And both have ties to the Cult of Verena, who we also court.
[ ] [SCRIBE] Runescribes Guild
I feel like these would be the hardest to teach a new language to, especially Elven. Not due to incompetence, but due to being vulnerable to the same thing that made the Weaver's Guild oppose using spider silk.
[ ] [SCRIBE] Empire
[ ] [SCRIBE] Universities
Compared to the benefits of the others I don't like either of these long term. Honestly, I have a hard time seeing the pros, other than a higher amount of starting languages for the latter and occasional random language additions that don't cost AP for the former.
Anyway, where can the EIC even expand to, language wise? Tilea maybe, some day down the road. And maybe add people who speak and write Norscan from Nordland or something. That's about it.
[ ] [SCRIBE] Locals
I like this for the effect it would have on the locals. Increasing average literacy also increases how much people will use the library, which in turn increases literacy and education and the proportion of locals that will pursue scholarly endeavors, in something of a feedback loop.
[ ] [SCRIBE] Orphans
I don't know what this would have in the way of mechanical advantages other than extra high loyalty, but it would be narratively interesting. It would be charitable and it would create a unique group/order/society. Of course there's also risks that said society would become rather insular.
I think for now I am split between Locals and Orphans.
Social options:
[ ] Max
I always say that I want to do these some day, but there's so many more interesting options. Again.
[ ] Thorek
Like this one for instance. And yet even this one feels like it won't run away until next turn.
[ ] Panoramia
This seems mandatory. But even beyond our duties as an awesome girlfriend, I really want to hear more about that paper that Panoramia wrote with Cython's aid.
[ ] Gretel
I know Gretel is a fan favorite for some and that we haven't seen her in ages and that the Border Prince thing was an option that got reasonably close to winning. But there's just too many things to follow up on that I care more about. For me this makes Gretel fall by the wayside, except if Boney decides to not throw new options for a few turns in a row.
[ ] Okri
I think I put him on the same priority level as Max, purely for the cool factor.
[ ] Sylvania
I guess this is somewhere around there too. Seems more important than Okri, but also more of an unknown unknown.
[ ] Wissenland
Last chance to snoop around in that path not chosen. I don't like missing out, so I'll probably pick it.
[ ] Middenland
This is one of those that feels like we really should do eventually, probably even more so than the one with Thorek. But other things always catch our attention instead.
[ ] The Black Water Canal
I honestly don't feel like we are personally needed here, even if there's more sabotage. Sounds like an AP sink. Although, it failing eventually when we could have done something would feel like a massive blow, since it's a butterfly we caused. Still, that's true for a lot of things.
[ ] Druchii Diplomats
They will probably not stick around forever. And they might be politicking in Laurelorn in ways that may become relevant to the Waystone Project. In a bad way, if not preempted. On the other hand they are icky people and I am pretty sure that any eventual dealings we decide to have with them do not have this social action as a prerequisite.
[ ] Brief the Emperor
Another one that feels almost mandatory. Or, if not mandatory, then at least something that has imminent advantages if done sooner rather than later.
[ ] Amber College
Eh. I guess there might be a CF or two here. But I really can't muster up the enthusiasm.
[ ] Gold College
This one is a bit more interesting, just because of the sheer amount of stuff it might spit out. And yet... It probably doesn't give CF and it really doesn't run away.
[ ] Skull River Ambush
This is just the Black Water Canal redux. Tickles our curiosity because we laid the groundwork, but not actually something we need to know or involve ourselves in. It might be hypocritical of me that I then want to vote for Wissenland instead, but I won't apologize for still having interest in my top alternatives to the Waystone Project.
All in all, there's very few options I actually am against doing in general. But alas, we only get to pick five and there's plenty of options that I am more than willing to push off into the vague future.
So for now:
[] [SCRIBE] Locals
[] [SCRIBE] Orphans
[] Panoramia
[] Brief the Emperor
[] Wissenland
[] Druchii Diplomats
[] Middenland
[] Thorek
@Boney What do you think will be the point where we can try socialing Hatalath?
[ ] [SCRIBE] Cult of Scripsisti
[ ] [SCRIBE] Cult of Clio
I have a hard time seeing the practical differences between these two. I guess one would guarantee accuracy while the other would be more proactive for certain kinds of texts? Also, the first would vehemently oppose future printing presses, while the latter would be a deliberate snub of the former. And both have ties to the Cult of Verena, who we also court.
[ ] [SCRIBE] Runescribes Guild
I feel like these would be the hardest to teach a new language to, especially Elven. Not due to incompetence, but due to being vulnerable to the same thing that made the Weaver's Guild oppose using spider silk.
[ ] [SCRIBE] Empire
[ ] [SCRIBE] Universities
Compared to the benefits of the others I don't like either of these long term. Honestly, I have a hard time seeing the pros, other than a higher amount of starting languages for the latter and occasional random language additions that don't cost AP for the former.
Anyway, where can the EIC even expand to, language wise? Tilea maybe, some day down the road. And maybe add people who speak and write Norscan from Nordland or something. That's about it.
[ ] [SCRIBE] Locals
I like this for the effect it would have on the locals. Increasing average literacy also increases how much people will use the library, which in turn increases literacy and education and the proportion of locals that will pursue scholarly endeavors, in something of a feedback loop.
[ ] [SCRIBE] Orphans
I don't know what this would have in the way of mechanical advantages other than extra high loyalty, but it would be narratively interesting. It would be charitable and it would create a unique group/order/society. Of course there's also risks that said society would become rather insular.
I think for now I am split between Locals and Orphans.
Social options:
[ ] Max
I always say that I want to do these some day, but there's so many more interesting options. Again.
[ ] Thorek
Like this one for instance. And yet even this one feels like it won't run away until next turn.
[ ] Panoramia
This seems mandatory. But even beyond our duties as an awesome girlfriend, I really want to hear more about that paper that Panoramia wrote with Cython's aid.
[ ] Gretel
I know Gretel is a fan favorite for some and that we haven't seen her in ages and that the Border Prince thing was an option that got reasonably close to winning. But there's just too many things to follow up on that I care more about. For me this makes Gretel fall by the wayside, except if Boney decides to not throw new options for a few turns in a row.
[ ] Okri
I think I put him on the same priority level as Max, purely for the cool factor.
[ ] Sylvania
I guess this is somewhere around there too. Seems more important than Okri, but also more of an unknown unknown.
[ ] Wissenland
Last chance to snoop around in that path not chosen. I don't like missing out, so I'll probably pick it.
[ ] Middenland
This is one of those that feels like we really should do eventually, probably even more so than the one with Thorek. But other things always catch our attention instead.
[ ] The Black Water Canal
I honestly don't feel like we are personally needed here, even if there's more sabotage. Sounds like an AP sink. Although, it failing eventually when we could have done something would feel like a massive blow, since it's a butterfly we caused. Still, that's true for a lot of things.
[ ] Druchii Diplomats
They will probably not stick around forever. And they might be politicking in Laurelorn in ways that may become relevant to the Waystone Project. In a bad way, if not preempted. On the other hand they are icky people and I am pretty sure that any eventual dealings we decide to have with them do not have this social action as a prerequisite.
[ ] Brief the Emperor
Another one that feels almost mandatory. Or, if not mandatory, then at least something that has imminent advantages if done sooner rather than later.
[ ] Amber College
Eh. I guess there might be a CF or two here. But I really can't muster up the enthusiasm.
[ ] Gold College
This one is a bit more interesting, just because of the sheer amount of stuff it might spit out. And yet... It probably doesn't give CF and it really doesn't run away.
[ ] Skull River Ambush
This is just the Black Water Canal redux. Tickles our curiosity because we laid the groundwork, but not actually something we need to know or involve ourselves in. It might be hypocritical of me that I then want to vote for Wissenland instead, but I won't apologize for still having interest in my top alternatives to the Waystone Project.
All in all, there's very few options I actually am against doing in general. But alas, we only get to pick five and there's plenty of options that I am more than willing to push off into the vague future.
So for now:
[] [SCRIBE] Locals
[] [SCRIBE] Orphans
[] Panoramia
[] Brief the Emperor
[] Wissenland
[] Druchii Diplomats
[] Middenland
[] Thorek
@Boney What do you think will be the point where we can try socialing Hatalath?
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- Actually pretty lost
The results may be further skewed by the Light Order tending to visit orphanages to take in children with magical potential.I was curious about how many wizards we'd expect to see from orphans, someone check my maths here. However assuming that boney rolled for each and each needed a 100 on a d100.
AnyDice
AnyDice is an advanced dice probability calculator, available online. It is created with roleplaying games in mind.anydice.com
Number of Wizards from a sample of 100 Probability 0 36.6% 1 36.9% 2 18.5% 3 6.1% 4 1.5% 5 0.28% 6 or more 0.05%
Burned_Cookie
Very tired girl.
- Location
- Plato´s cave.
- Pronouns
- She/Her/It/Its
There is a very good reason she saw it as an iron clad indicator that they hadn't been there.
- Location
- Netherlands
- Pronouns
- She/Her
(psst, the vote isn't open yet)
Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
- Location
- Russia
Creation of new universes does tend to make a lot of people angry.
- Location
- Moscow
Opened the Tome of Salvation, and it made me rethink my support for the Scripsisti vote.
Thaaat sounds like a load of problems down the line. Note that right now printing presses are very primitive so they don't yet reduce the cost of books by much, but once someone manages to produce a movable-type one...
Thaaat sounds like a load of problems down the line. Note that right now printing presses are very primitive so they don't yet reduce the cost of books by much, but once someone manages to produce a movable-type one...
On the third hand, here we have a waystone that has been modified. There is a LOT you can learn by comparing different but related devices because they are going to be mostly the same save for key differences, and this tells you a lot about what those different parts actually DO.So, the nexus is currently stealing Ghyran from the local Dreaming Wood, rather than being part of the Waystone Network. Recreating this as a standalone magic shunt is probably a pipe dream, but if we managed it this could drastically change the Empire.
It's fascinating that they built a Waystone nexus to be able do this, rather than just building a separate magical shunt... oh.
This drains the Dreaming Wood, but floods the local area with Ghyran. Ghyran, which in the normal course of things would be sucked up by the nearest Waystone. They didn't build 2 separate objects because one would invalidate the other. This is sort of a problem for any plans to cover the Empire in Waystones or these shunts. I guess you'd have to carefully plan for Ghyran-zones not to have active Waystones, and vice-versa.
On the bright side, if all you want is to drain your local gribbly wood of Ghur or Ulgu or whatnot, maybe you don't care so much if that magic gets sucked into the Network.
That second quote isn't me - had a funny moment where I wondered if sleep deprivation had me posting and forgetting about it
On the other hand it's not our money we are spending and it's not like the local dwarfs will object to us waiting on the new-fangled printing press thing for a century or two
Just to spark off the debate early, who do we think should control the Reikland nexus? The options as I see it are:
-The Elector of Reikland, garrisoned by state troops
-A local noble, garrisoned by their household troops
-A fortress-monastery of Rhya, garrisoned by battle-priests
-The Jades/Colleges of Magic as a whole, garrisoned by wizards (and maybe druids)
-hedgewise
Personally, I'm leaning towards the Elector. Not only is it a national strategic asset, but I trust both Luitpold and Mandred with it. Also controlling it will give Mandred a bit of a boost in political clout, considering he's going to be a wizard. Being in control of the device that could save the Empire should Marrienburg ever fall is one hell of a card to keep up your sleeve.
-The Elector of Reikland, garrisoned by state troops
-A local noble, garrisoned by their household troops
-A fortress-monastery of Rhya, garrisoned by battle-priests
-The Jades/Colleges of Magic as a whole, garrisoned by wizards (and maybe druids)
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Personally, I'm leaning towards the Elector. Not only is it a national strategic asset, but I trust both Luitpold and Mandred with it. Also controlling it will give Mandred a bit of a boost in political clout, considering he's going to be a wizard. Being in control of the device that could save the Empire should Marrienburg ever fall is one hell of a card to keep up your sleeve.
- Location
- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
So what happened here? Just them comparing maps that align weirdly due to inaccuracy on part of the cartographers?
Sorry. That was just a comment/reaction. Something I felt, not something I thought Mathilde should feel. I guess I shouldn't have lodged it in the middle of what were otherwise mostly questions.
IIRC 1/100 is just the chance for interesting named characters. The statistical chance among a faceless population was somewhere between 1/1,000 and 1/10,000 I think.I was curious about how many wizards we'd expect to see from orphans, someone check my maths here. However assuming that boney rolled for each and each needed a 100 on a d100.
AnyDice
AnyDice is an advanced dice probability calculator, available online. It is created with roleplaying games in mind.anydice.com
Number of Wizards from a sample of 100 Probability 0 36.6% 1 36.9% 2 18.5% 3 6.1% 4 1.5% 5 0.28% 6 or more 0.05%
Whoops. Corrected. Thank you. I've been late to reading updates so often the last couple of months that I didn't even think to check.
More so if it coincides with the destruction and abandonment of old ones.
On the other hand random people whose only selling point is 'can hit someone good with pointy metal' opens them up more to the dangers of infiltration and corruption. Both the colleges and the religious options involve more screening and include people with mage-sight who can see if something funky is going on.
- Location
- South Africa
Like your summary and I agree with the Elector, also considering it's significance Elector probably involves the least political change.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
- Location
- Earth
Or, as Mathilde speculated, the Belthani converted it. It's possible they either didn't have the knowhow or didn't have the materials to build a nexus of their own, so just converted the local one.
I would hope that we don't destroy a potentially priceless archeological site by looting it for marble.
As a side thought, the original owner of this place could potentially still be alive and living in Laurelorn. Might be worth asking around to find out if they on any of their friends are around.
[] SCRIBE] Orphans
[] Max
[] Brief the Emperor
[] Druchii Diplomats
[] Thorek
On the options, I'd like to focus on actionable things that we might want alter subsequent actions based on. Knowing how Max and Thorek are doing could influence Project and WebMat assignments, and the Druichii diplomats could give information for some useful, if distasteful, diplomacy or trading.
As a side thought, the original owner of this place could potentially still be alive and living in Laurelorn. Might be worth asking around to find out if they on any of their friends are around.
[] SCRIBE] Orphans
[] Max
[] Brief the Emperor
[] Druchii Diplomats
[] Thorek
On the options, I'd like to focus on actionable things that we might want alter subsequent actions based on. Knowing how Max and Thorek are doing could influence Project and WebMat assignments, and the Druichii diplomats could give information for some useful, if distasteful, diplomacy or trading.
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Vote's not open just yet.
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
Anyone know where the post with the Waystone maps is?
We don't know about this IC, I think, because it hasn't come up yet. I was going to say that OOC it's not our problem either, but actually a few decades down the line maybe we'll want to push for our copying to be done in print. Money's no issue, but typeface is generally easier to read than handwriting...
If we hope to build more of these, I'd rather not set the precedent that the local noble or even the Elector Count gets to decide if a given Nexus is set to "make my lands rich" or "quietly save the world".
It makes sense that a patron god of scribes is not a fan of printing press though.