- Location
- Memphis, TN
Thank goodness that would have been bad
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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King Arthur
The Once and Future King
Why precisely would it have been bad to tell the count that his martial did super shady stuff that makes him untrustworthy for his position?
This is Warhammer, our life sort of depends on the martial advisor doing the best job possible and not being corrupt.
DocMatoi
Theoretical Lover of Girls
- Location
- within 2 hours of the White House
- Pronouns
- They/Them
I agree with the king, finding out this stuff is our job as spymaster. We're being derelict in our duties.
King Arthur
The Once and Future King
Can we do that as a free option this turn? It shouldn't exactly take a whole action to have a quick 5 minute conversation with the dude or write it down on a piece of paper and pass it to him.
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- Germiston, South Africa
That would be me. It didn't get anywhere because I also wanted to come clean about our own situation.
We could certainly separate it out and give the boss a non-full disclosure.
Sure, it'd be a free action. I didn't bother writing up an option for it because the vote for it had just failed.
Please specify exactly what information you're giving him, though. Just the Professor's background, or how it tied into his appointment as well? And will you throw in what you know about the Chaplain and the Architect's appointments?
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- Memphis, TN
Because you are possibly revealing the Emperor's spymaster agent and he would be rightly peeved if some no named wizard just fucked his information gathering I don't know about you but I would rather not make an enemy with the Emporer's spymaster in the first turn
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King Arthur
The Once and Future King
[X] Free Action: Give our new boss all the info that we have gathered on every advisor except for ourself and Wilhelmina. Leave nothing out.
Then just don't make a write in where you don't mention the spymaster thing and instead only mention the other shady stuff.
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- Burgundian Netherlands
Guys, the Emperor's spymaster put him here. Let's just keep tabs on him and see if he performs his job adequately. Let's not get in the way of the plans of one of the most powerful people of the Empire just yet?
At some point we could inform Schultz that we know his background, and that we're keeping an eye on him to dissuade him from going about any more fishy business. But until things look like they might be going sour, it might be best to keep this info close to our chest.
At some point we could inform Schultz that we know his background, and that we're keeping an eye on him to dissuade him from going about any more fishy business. But until things look like they might be going sour, it might be best to keep this info close to our chest.
Heretek
Techpriest of Tzeentch
Lucrezio's history of embezzlement is something Van Hal should know, but without adding who appointed Lucrezio I don't see him remaining employed. Van Hal probably knows that almost all of the councilors were appointed for him (I doubt he's that stupid), but he may not know by who, and we really don't need to give the Emperor's spymaster a reason to look too closely at us.
I'm not sure what to do.
I'm not sure what to do.
- Location
- Burgundian Netherlands
Well, I imagine this is precisely what we do as a spymaster. Van Hal can't know everything, he also doesn't have time to understand the context involved with some things, and in some cases it's better that he acts as if he doesn't know something, which is best accomplished by him not knowing said piece of information in the first place. He trusts us (or at least has to trust us) to make the calls on what information he should get, and follow up on the things he can't.
Right now, if we give him the info, he'll probably realise that he can't get rid of Schultz, but it might make him needlessly wary of his Marshal. Most importantly, the Imperial Spymaster gets word that we leak info like this, and we're potentially jeopardising his information gathering. I'd rather we avoid that at all costs.
- Location
- Norway
Let's try looking at this from our boss's perspective.
I imagine his current priority list might go something like:
1) Tax ledgers so he can run province
2) Double-dealing nobles
3) Monsters in castle
4) Monsters outside castle
5) Getting military in order
6) People who are secretly working for vampires
7) People who are secretly working for Chaos
8) Rest of the nobles
9) Backup plans for income if we don't find the tax ledgers
10) Praise Sigmar
...
15) Acquire guns
...
20) People who are secretly working for imperial espionage
I support raising the matter eventually, but I don't think it's all that urgent when our boss is surely running around putting out fires everywhere.
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I imagine his current priority list might go something like:
1) Tax ledgers so he can run province
2) Double-dealing nobles
3) Monsters in castle
4) Monsters outside castle
5) Getting military in order
6) People who are secretly working for vampires
7) People who are secretly working for Chaos
8) Rest of the nobles
9) Backup plans for income if we don't find the tax ledgers
10) Praise Sigmar
...
15) Acquire guns
...
20) People who are secretly working for imperial espionage
I support raising the matter eventually, but I don't think it's all that urgent when our boss is surely running around putting out fires everywhere.
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- Germiston, South Africa
Hmm assuming the posts here represent the internal dialogue of the spymistress ...
We are doing a crappy job as spymaster cuz we are afraid of the emperor's spymaster.
Maybe the Marshal is doing a crappy job as marshal cuz he is afraid of the emperor's marshal. 'I cant let Stirland get too strong and threaten Riekland'
And the rest of the advisers the same (except Wilhelmina).
The setup blurb says that incompetence is assumed in Stirland, this could be why if this sort of thing is normal.
Sucks to be Stirland I guess
We are doing a crappy job as spymaster cuz we are afraid of the emperor's spymaster.
Maybe the Marshal is doing a crappy job as marshal cuz he is afraid of the emperor's marshal. 'I cant let Stirland get too strong and threaten Riekland'
And the rest of the advisers the same (except Wilhelmina).
The setup blurb says that incompetence is assumed in Stirland, this could be why if this sort of thing is normal.
Sucks to be Stirland I guess
DocMatoi
Theoretical Lover of Girls
- Location
- within 2 hours of the White House
- Pronouns
- They/Them
[X] Free Action: Give our new boss all the info that we have gathered on every advisor except for ourself and Wilhelmina. Leave nothing out.
Again: Alerting the Count of enemies within is the spymaster's job. Someone who is most likely going to pull his same old embezzling stunt in a much more important place falls under that, I think.
Again: Alerting the Count of enemies within is the spymaster's job. Someone who is most likely going to pull his same old embezzling stunt in a much more important place falls under that, I think.
- Location
- Memphis, TN
We are not doing a crappy job since we are avoiding needless conflict with one of our allies or associates if you ratherHmm assuming the posts here represent the internal dialogue of the spymistress ...
We are doing a crappy job as spymaster cuz we are afraid of the emperor's spymaster.
Maybe the Marshal is doing a crappy job as marshal cuz he is afraid of the emperor's marshal. 'I cant let Stirland get too strong and threaten Riekland'
And the rest of the advisers the same (except Wilhelmina).
The setup blurb says that incompetence is assumed in Stirland, this could be why if this sort of thing is normal.
Sucks to be Stirland I guess
Making an enemy of one the most powerful spymasters in the Empire isn't going to do us any favors in fact all will do is hinder us
There is a reason all these people are spying on this one dude and unless he is an utter moron he probably knows he is getting spyed on by some of his advisors us being a blabber mouth draws needless attention and problems to us problems we don't need
If we see the marshal doing something he is not supposed to do like steal money from his funds then we can tell Van Hal but we shouldn't tell him who the marshel actually works for
- Location
- Germiston, South Africa
We are doing a -terrible- job, we are not telling the boss the things he needs to know, such as his marshal is a peculator. We aren't going to be able to stop him, it would take the steward to scrutinize his expenditures.
Deliberate incompetence is still incompetence. Crappy is crappy. And yes I did understand that your motive is fear, no need to repeat it.
Actually lets see if I can get some votes :
[x] Free Action : Full Disclosure. Give the boss ALL the details.
If the mysterious cabals etc did not want it known, they should not have picked someone with the 'Brave' trait.
If this is a Bad End, it will be at least one we choose, instead of of drowning in a sea of enforced incompetence.
DocMatoi
Theoretical Lover of Girls
- Location
- within 2 hours of the White House
- Pronouns
- They/Them
[x] Free Action : Full Disclosure. Give the boss ALL the details.
"So my Lord, someone is controlling me through the grey college on threat of me being declared a rogue wizard and eliminated by the witch hunters. I figured I should at least let you know that I'm going to be doing some fuck shit on the side, but I'm trying to not let it get in the way of this job. I'll keep you appraised of my secret orders."
Van hal: "IS NOBODY HERE LOYAL TO ME?"
us: "Wilhelmina."
VH: "ah, excellent."
"So my Lord, someone is controlling me through the grey college on threat of me being declared a rogue wizard and eliminated by the witch hunters. I figured I should at least let you know that I'm going to be doing some fuck shit on the side, but I'm trying to not let it get in the way of this job. I'll keep you appraised of my secret orders."
Van hal: "IS NOBODY HERE LOYAL TO ME?"
us: "Wilhelmina."
VH: "ah, excellent."
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- Germiston, South Africa
Yeah it's going to be an -interesting- conversation.
Tell you what: next reporting time, I'll have a mandatory part of the report plan that includes whether to do a separate one-on-one report and how much information to give him about a) everything you found out about the councillors last turn and b) anything sensitive you find this turn. Consider this a de facto moratorium to figure out what you want to lay out for him. That way you'll have a full voting cycle with everyone weighing in one way or the other, and everything about passing on information is wrapped up neatly in the same voting turn.
Because this is more part of the teething process of me figuring out how best to do this format of quest, you have my word that if any of that information is time sensitive and if the Count would have acted on it, then you won't be any worse off for the delay.
Because this is more part of the teething process of me figuring out how best to do this format of quest, you have my word that if any of that information is time sensitive and if the Count would have acted on it, then you won't be any worse off for the delay.
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- Norway
Hmm.
Not a plan, just thinking a potential draft of how to put this diplomatically:
"My Count, it will probably not surprise you to hear that the powers that be are watching closely to see how Stirland will fare under your rule. For example, I was privately contacted by Imperial Intelligence who demanded I also keep them informed of goings-on in this province, threatening that otherwise they'd have me declared rogue and executed. And speaking of Imperial Intelligence, they're leaning on your Marshal to provide corroboration, and the threat for him is exposing his history of fraud and embezzlement. And speaking of goings-on this province, I've also found that Talabecland is expecting Detlef Schultz to keep them informed. Nobody has threatened Wilhelmina, Anton, or Kasmir yet, save of course for the fact that the vampires are a threat us all."
(change if we discover someone is threatening Anton. I'm aware Kasmir is devoted to the Sigmarites, but he's obvious about that rather than being blackmailed. As far as we know.)
Caveat: How confident would the hivemind be that our mysterious backer is Imperial Intelligence? Because I'm having trouble thinking of anyone else who would twist the arm of the Grey Order like this. A rogue faction within the Grey Order might have the ability, but a) the Grey Order has the strictest self-policing and b) what the hell is their motive.
Not a plan, just thinking a potential draft of how to put this diplomatically:
"My Count, it will probably not surprise you to hear that the powers that be are watching closely to see how Stirland will fare under your rule. For example, I was privately contacted by Imperial Intelligence who demanded I also keep them informed of goings-on in this province, threatening that otherwise they'd have me declared rogue and executed. And speaking of Imperial Intelligence, they're leaning on your Marshal to provide corroboration, and the threat for him is exposing his history of fraud and embezzlement. And speaking of goings-on this province, I've also found that Talabecland is expecting Detlef Schultz to keep them informed. Nobody has threatened Wilhelmina, Anton, or Kasmir yet, save of course for the fact that the vampires are a threat us all."
(change if we discover someone is threatening Anton. I'm aware Kasmir is devoted to the Sigmarites, but he's obvious about that rather than being blackmailed. As far as we know.)
Caveat: How confident would the hivemind be that our mysterious backer is Imperial Intelligence? Because I'm having trouble thinking of anyone else who would twist the arm of the Grey Order like this. A rogue faction within the Grey Order might have the ability, but a) the Grey Order has the strictest self-policing and b) what the hell is their motive.
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- Germiston, South Africa
Please hold off on mini-vote people, Boney is going to put it into a formal vote next turn.