Most people are only told alcohol is there "to get smashed." Alcohol absolutely can taste good but if your getting vodka for 5 bucks then don't expect quality.
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There's still a decent area between feeling the first effects of alcohol and any losses of control.
One dwarves can enjoy as much as humans.
Edit: Unless you call any impaiment to your judgement a loss of control already, then your point stands.
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Sounds like most of the people you know don't drink good alchohol. There is alchohol that is only good for getting drunk but there is stuff that tastes good too.
That said I agree with your conclusion, the stages between sober and drunk are largely stages of loss of control so I don't see it appealing to the culture of Vlag.
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Probably. But if you had the choice between really good juice, and really good alcohol, and the only difference is one makes you drunk and the other doesn't, the reason you're going for the alcohol is the buzz. It's an addictive substance for a reason.
Alcohol has its own taste, it's not "really good juice" it's its own thing. Yes most people absolutely want to get drunk from it but going "alcohol is just addictive juice" is about the same as going "cake is just extravagant chocolate."
I'm not a big alcohol person myself, but some people do drink alcohol for the taste. Wine specifically is something I've seen people drink for its taste, where the possibily of getting drunk from it was mostly seen as a side effect. Can't relate myself, I've never tasted wine that I didn't consider gross, but de gustibus and all that.
As for being out of control, in between getting absoultely hammered and being sober there are varying degrees of drunkness. I could see calling a state of being smashed as "loss of cognitive control", but when you're tipsy your inhibitions are lowered but not completely gone, and I don't know that I would call that a loss of control. It's an altered state of consciousness, that much is true, but there are a lot of things that put you in what could be called alterted states of consciousness. Concentrating really hard on a task or riding a roller coaster would probably have a bigger effect on my state of mind than getting slightly tipsy.
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Given how fine the line that the dwarves of Vlag walk is, to spite the tempter but not fall. I don't think they would view even just lowering their inhibitions as acceptable.
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That is exactly what I mean. I'm on drugs every day, but I take them because I'm mentally ill and need adjustment or I'll just lay on my bed like a dead fish. I absolutely hate not knowing whether something I'm thinking or doing is because of me or because of my medicine. I can't personally fathom people impairing their judgment out of enjoyment, but people are different. Clearly my thought process isn't usual.
Like, my favorite anecdote about alcohol is this:
I normally aren't a big drinker, beer doesn't taste good to me and the stronger stuff is ... Well too strong. But i got invited by my teacher to a bar and he convinced me to order a Irish coffee. (Note, i also don't like coffee, but that's more on not trying it often)
That Irish coffee was one of the best hot drinks i ever had, you noticed the alcohol but that added to the flavour instead of ruining it.
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Most people probably who drink don't really think about it at all. They grow up in a culture where it is normal they see adults doing it so when they can they do it too. That said there absolutely are people who think about it the same way as you and abstain for that reason so you aren't that unusual.
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Speaking personally, I'm basically the same way.
(Though in my case it's also that I know I'm terrible at moderation so it's easier to just avoid temptation entirely)
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Maybe it's a cultural difference. I live in a place where alcohol is forbidden, and they teach us all about how bad it is. I did my own research, and I don't really care much about the religous element considering I'm literally trans and proud of it. I considered whether it was worth it to try and went "not at all". I'm fine with missing out on that part of life.
In that way, maybe I'm self projecting on the Vlag Dwarves.
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I'm pretty sure the first time I ever had alchohol was in church. The Eucharist is a weekly ritual where they give you a sip of wine and a little wafer thing which are mean to represent (become? I don't know my christian theology enough to be 100% sure here) the blood and body of christ. Some churches will use fruit juice instead for kids but some will just give you the normal stuff.
Abstaining from alcohol is seen as an active decision rather than the default everyone does. To be honest I think your way is better, I enjoy some alcohol now and then but it is certainly pretty harmful at times.
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It's the case for Orthodox and Catholic doctrine, at least. It's called transubstantiation.
Transubstantiation - Wikipedia
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I mean, I wouldn't want Llanowar elves on a non-green deck, and ash blossom and joyous spring is only so strong because the metagame is what it is in yu-gi-oh. Analogy still stands., the fact that these cards require the rest of the deck to function doesn't change the fact they are very OP. And before this analogy gets away from me, what I mean here is that same thing goes for Branulhine.
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It depends on the person I think. I am a bit too introvert to do some stuff like dancing in a place others can see me because I get embarrased. Or used to anyway. Couple of beers and I would go out and have fun in a club. It helped me to get over some fears/embarrasment for me after some time. I still like to drink on occasion, a bit of liqid courage so to speak.
Most important thing about it ofcourse pacing and knowing when to stop. Everything in moderation as they say.
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Not the case for Protestant churches or at least most protestant churches. We believe that it is symbolic of Christ's body.It's the case for Orthodox and Catholic doctrine, at least. It's called transubstantiation.
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I think the point is more that the runefangs where made under a completely different goalset.
Our sword is optimized for bringing maximum benefit in the hands of one Lady Mathilde Weber, or anyone extremely like her, while the Runefangs need to produce good results no matter who picks them up.
It would be a bit like comparing a hammer and a drill, and both sides calling the other terrible for failing to make small holes and failing to drive in nails properly respectively.
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There's no real way to tell how Vlag will go culturally. It might be 'no loss of control so no alcohol' or it might be 'we've heard stories of this ale stuff, let's try some' or it might even be 'we best Slaanesh, fuck yeah, party time'. Personally I suspect there'll be a range of responses, but ultimately Vlag will return to standard Dwarf drinking patterns, because I suspect that they deeply idolise pre-abduction Hold behaviour, and that's a part of it that they can indulge in with very minimal consequences.
I mean, what the Runefangs where made for depends on whose perspective you look from. From Sigmar's, they were a way to reward his lieutenants and provide a tangible symbol of the benefits of his Empire, and their actual value as swords was secondary (and largely still is in the modern Empire). To Alaric the Mad, they had to be the best swords that swords could be, as individual objects, devoid of literally all context.
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I'm an atheist, and I love wine
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But what is the best sword? Is a sword tailor made to the intended user better? A sword that seeks to be equally useful to a wide variety of styles and users? One dedicated to a specific style, but not made for a specific person?
My point is that perfect can only ever exist in the lens of the goals.
There's a reason they call Alaric "the Mad".
Admittedly, most of that is because of the whole warpstone crown thing, but you don't go from normal runesmith to kickflip research on warpstone overnight.
It starts with lots of smaller steps, such as spending 100 years trying to make the objectively best swords that can ever exist.