This wasn't about if we would continue the project, this was about if teclis would get to be in charge, and my argument was that if you have and expert (or as much an expert as there can be) and everyone else is not then the expert is most likely to take charge.
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He wouldn't get to be in charge, because all this people have agreed to work with Mathilde, not him. You're not going to see Thorek or Niedzwenka working under Teclis.
She might respect him for creating the college's, but she's also cynical about how little he chose to share with them.
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The whole concept behind the project is that no one is really in charge. The closest to "in charge" is Mathilde, and that's because she's the mediator and middle ground that allows for all the different factions to work together.
No matter how diplomatic Teclis is, he's not erasing the fact that he is an Asur. He will never be in charge as long as the project is about getting Laurelorn and the Karaz Ankor to cooperate, no matter how good he is. Mathilde would definitely listen to him, but there is no guarantee the others will.
Hatalath is the most knowledgable guy in our group, but he's not in charge and I would never want him to be. Same concept applies except even more for Teclis.
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He would be because most of the knowledge we lack would be in his head. I agree the dwarfs would probably tap out but Kislev definitely wouldn't, they desperately want waystones. As for the wood elves? Depends on what teclis's stand is on them but i think he doesn't care too much about them being independent.
True, Hatalath is the most knowledgeable, but he also doesn't have the direct knowledge about the waystones.
Teclis has a lot of knowledge, yes, but so does Hatalath, and Thorek, and Niedzwenka, and everyone else. Teclis may be a magic prodigy but he doesn't have the ancestral secrets of the Druids, or the Hedgewise, or the Nehekarans, or the Kislevites, or certainly the Dwarfs, and at least part of what he knows is already known to Hatalath or Sarvoi.
I think Teclis is wise enough not to put his pride over the success of such an important project, and not pissing off the Dwarves in general and Thorek in particular is vital to it.
No, what he has is the actual knowledge how a waystone works. That's my point, not that he has "more" knowledge but that he has the exact knowledge we need. The elf's have build a waystone recently and no one else we know has. He wouldn't need to turn waystones on and off again to figure out how the leylines worked because he probably has the passcode to get calador to connect new ones.
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It's worth noting Boney's said the Asur reaction to the Waystone Project would be to try and shut the thing down ASAP. So if Teclis does show up, we're likely to have bigger issues than just him taking over the project.
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Boney's also said the Asur response would be a carrot because they can't whack us with a stick, so "issues" may be a little incorrect.
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The elfs haven't built a Waystone, they have replaced a broken one with a pre-fabricated Old One Waystone which they don't know how to build. He has more knowledge of the basics of Waystones, yes, but if we want to build new ones we're going to need all the more esoteric knowledge we can get, and that's why Thorek and the others are essential.
Having Teclis would speedrun the first parts of the project, but these are the 'easy' parts anyway. We have an advantage for the more difficult parts in our varied viewpoints: I don't think Teclis could, say, make a tributary with a plant or a bound spirit like Cadaeth or Niedzwenka likely can.
And even if you consider him as having more useful knowledge than any of the others, that doesn't translate to ability to coordinate all these different people, which is what we want from a "leader".
The Asur absolutely would, but they also didn't want to send help to the Great War against Chaos, and Teclis went anyway. If there's one Asur that might be willing to actually help the project it's him.
Mathilde is able to tap into surface level gossip and current affairs in Tor Lithanel because she has a good reputation, is good at dealing with foreign cultures, is able to speak the language, is there on the express invitation of the Queen, is rubbing shoulders with the Champion and a Grey Lord and Vicarii and Councillors, and has permission to stay in the city long term despite not being part of the Cityborn. None of those advantages would apply to any EIC agents.
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If Teclis joined and assumed leadership, enough parties would walk out that all we'd ever accomplish is whatever Teclis already knows how to do, which is not building a new Waystone from scratch.
The entire Waystone project is founded on the idea that what's needed isn't supergeniuses deriving them from first principles, it's gathering together all the disparate scraps of lore that various parties have been hoarding that aren't enough to do anything with on their own. If Teclis joining meant that half the puzzle pieces got up and left, the correct response would be to decline to hire Teclis, no matter how fantastic he is.
Ah yes, the bloke who literally build the colleges from the ground up and the led them into a war shortly afterwards is not a good leader... And the elves still put up more waystones then anyone we know in recent history they would know how the collection system works or the storage matrix. They might not have the right materials but that's pretty much the only thing they don't have...
Edit: and because I've seen the post above me too late, answering it in the edits @Deathbybunnies the only ones I can actually see walking out is the dwarfs, everyone else has too vested a interest. Even laurelorn would probably stay as long as teclis doesn't try to be actually condescending to them over being colonists.
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He's not a good leader for the Waystone project, because literally everyone here but maybe Egrimm and Elrisse have good reasons to distrust the Asur. In terms of getting people like Thorek and Niedzwenka cooperating, Mathilde is objectively better than Teclis, because most people in the project trust her a lot better than they ever would trust Teclis.
And sure, the elfs have a lot of useful knowledge, but so do the Dwarfs. We know IC that Thorgrim can detect the Karaks connecting and reconnecting, and since the Dwarf network is separated from the Asur one, it's not a big leap to assume they might have some control 'program' similar to Caledor & friends. And Teclis knows that the Dwarfs might be willing to work with him, but not under him, so he likely wouldn't ask to be in charge anyways; he's probably too pragmatic for that.
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Everyone who's here is here because they trust Mathilde to not screw them over when sharing their secret lore. Even so, they're all still incredibly wary and mostly here to see what they can get from other people without tipping their hands too much, not because they expect the Project to succeed. If Mathilde isn't in charge the Project collapses on the spot.
That might change with a few successes under their belts, as they start to believe that the Project could actually accomplish its stated goals. For now though, Teclis might be a competent leader and extremely capable magical researcher, but he doesn't have the trust that the position explicitly requires.
I mean Teclis is canonically an undiplomatic ass, I think he would be quite bad at dealing with a varied cast of magicians as anything like equals. He founded the Colleges but that was a because he was orders of magnitude better at magic than any of his students and he was hanging the offer of legalization over them. If he tries anything like that with Baba Older-Than-Kislev the results would be... messy.
Teclis is possibly the only Elf of Ulthuan that everyone involved would be at least willing to hear out if he were to Kramer in the door. He fought alongside High King Alriksson at the Battle at the Gates of Kislev, and like Queen Marrisith is of the Line of Aenarion, making them cousins.
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"All that work and not one lost Dawi hold accidentally reclaimed!"
"You thought we'd find a Dawi hold...under Mount Drakenhof?"
"I've given up knowing what to expect when Mathilde is involved."
If we free another hold I'm expecting a thane or loremaster to just follow Mathilde around so that if she stumbles over one in the backyard there's someone there to take note and explain...
I could see Teclis joining as a fellow contributor, but... Well, let's talk about authority.
Broadly speaking, authority can be split into two types—positional authority, and personal authority.
Positional authority is given by the role someone holds—such as being a Lord Magister, or of the Line of Aenarion.
Personal authority is what trust and respect the individual has gained through their actions.
(Bad bosses demand the latter despite only holding the former)
Teclis and Mathilde hold both of these in spades—but Mathilde's authority is more relevant. Teclis hasn't stepped foot on the continent in nearly two centuries, and the Asur as a whole have forgone all rights and responsibilities towards the people and lands of the old world.
The people on the Waystone project trust Mathilde more than they would trust Teclis, especially if he tried to take over the project—that would cost him a lot of personal authority.
But if he joined as an equal, as a fellow contributor, then everyone would be mostly fine with that—about as fine as working with anyone else on the project.
Broadly speaking, authority can be split into two types—positional authority, and personal authority.
Positional authority is given by the role someone holds—such as being a Lord Magister, or of the Line of Aenarion.
Personal authority is what trust and respect the individual has gained through their actions.
(Bad bosses demand the latter despite only holding the former)
Teclis and Mathilde hold both of these in spades—but Mathilde's authority is more relevant. Teclis hasn't stepped foot on the continent in nearly two centuries, and the Asur as a whole have forgone all rights and responsibilities towards the people and lands of the old world.
The people on the Waystone project trust Mathilde more than they would trust Teclis, especially if he tried to take over the project—that would cost him a lot of personal authority.
But if he joined as an equal, as a fellow contributor, then everyone would be mostly fine with that—about as fine as working with anyone else on the project.
One thing I find funny about Teclis is how the 'legend has out paced the man'.
Everyone has such a high option of him that everyone expected more of him then he is.
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If Teclis is Dad to the Empire Wizards, does that make Magnus the Pious their Mom?
The same can be said of Mathilde. Clearing out Drakenhof and killing the resident vampire with no casualties is being seen as an underachievement.