Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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[X] Sylvania
[X] Karak Vlag
[X] Karaz-a-Karak
[X] Kasmir
[X] Eike
I want to check on some Sylvania stuff since we just finished a mini-turn here, so it felt appropriate. And Eike because, well, she'll be our apprentice!
And I want to check on what the dwarfs are doing, both the status of the Karaz-a-Karak campaign stuff -- maybe we'll even get more insight into how Thorgrim is doing! not necessarily meeting him ourselves, but, if Mathilde hears rumors and grumblings about how Thorgrim has switched from "Reckoner trying to strike out as many Grudges before the inevitable end" to "Actually has hope for the future of the Karaz Ankor; not just Karaz-A-Karak, but the Karaz Ankor as a whole"... for instance, if Belegar shares the fact that Thorgrim outright stated that he had been acting as a Slayer when he should have been acting to rebuild the Karaz Ankor, and he then reactivated an ancient Great Work of the Ancestors? Well, that might be interesting to hear. Because, sure, Belegar thinks -- or thought, he might have went "... Huuuh... at how Karag Dum didn't pressure Thorgrim with knowledge of the Waystones when it would have been a preferable path to fucking Cor-Dum -- the worst of Thorgrim. But even Belegar probably double-took a bit at Thorgrim outright admitting that he should have been acting to rebuild rather than like a Slayer. Also, Thorgrim did reveal what the Waystone energy is flowing to; it's stuff like the Great Work. While the other Kings and Queen would not know that it comes from the Waystones, Belegar would likely assume that. And Belegar might suspect that the reason the Great Works had never been activated before... is because there had never been enough energy for them before. Also, the fact that Thorgrim revealed that Great Work, hints that he's not just stealing energy from everybody to profit Karaz-a-Karak. Though he is keeping it secret that energy exists and is being sent and used. Though then again, Karag Dum would have known this too, so...
Anyway, I'm hoping that Belegar's opinion on Thorgrim has gone from "That jackass!" to "Confused".
And the Vlag Slayer I want to check out because it's either Borek... or maybe the Prince of Karag Dum or somebody like that. (In canon he was sent out earlier, and Gotrek found his resting place on the way back from the expedition, but maybe here in the quest the Prince would have been sent out after Borek made his way to Karag Dum.)
[X] Sylvania
[X] Karak Vlag
[X] Karaz-a-Karak
[X] Kasmir
[X] Eike
I want to check on some Sylvania stuff since we just finished a mini-turn here, so it felt appropriate. And Eike because, well, she'll be our apprentice!
And I want to check on what the dwarfs are doing, both the status of the Karaz-a-Karak campaign stuff -- maybe we'll even get more insight into how Thorgrim is doing! not necessarily meeting him ourselves, but, if Mathilde hears rumors and grumblings about how Thorgrim has switched from "Reckoner trying to strike out as many Grudges before the inevitable end" to "Actually has hope for the future of the Karaz Ankor; not just Karaz-A-Karak, but the Karaz Ankor as a whole"... for instance, if Belegar shares the fact that Thorgrim outright stated that he had been acting as a Slayer when he should have been acting to rebuild the Karaz Ankor, and he then reactivated an ancient Great Work of the Ancestors? Well, that might be interesting to hear. Because, sure, Belegar thinks -- or thought, he might have went "... Huuuh... at how Karag Dum didn't pressure Thorgrim with knowledge of the Waystones when it would have been a preferable path to fucking Cor-Dum -- the worst of Thorgrim. But even Belegar probably double-took a bit at Thorgrim outright admitting that he should have been acting to rebuild rather than like a Slayer. Also, Thorgrim did reveal what the Waystone energy is flowing to; it's stuff like the Great Work. While the other Kings and Queen would not know that it comes from the Waystones, Belegar would likely assume that. And Belegar might suspect that the reason the Great Works had never been activated before... is because there had never been enough energy for them before. Also, the fact that Thorgrim revealed that Great Work, hints that he's not just stealing energy from everybody to profit Karaz-a-Karak. Though he is keeping it secret that energy exists and is being sent and used. Though then again, Karag Dum would have known this too, so...
Anyway, I'm hoping that Belegar's opinion on Thorgrim has gone from "That jackass!" to "Confused".
And the Vlag Slayer I want to check out because it's either Borek... or maybe the Prince of Karag Dum or somebody like that. (In canon he was sent out earlier, and Gotrek found his resting place on the way back from the expedition, but maybe here in the quest the Prince would have been sent out after Borek made his way to Karag Dum.)
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Okay another argument for Teclis joining the project: I really want to see elves being snooty to each other rather than to humans.
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Elves being cold snobby bastards to each other would almost be worth the impossible struggle of making sure Teclis doesn't completely take over. Almost...
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Would he tho? Because he's intelligent enough to recognise that it's only thanks to our intervention that all those people accepted to work together, and likely humble enough to see that there's things they know that ha doesn't.
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Have you considered the incredible pressure that all Collegiate wizards (including Mathilde) would experience in not just deffering to Elf dad at any occasion?
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Maybe he wouldn't actively take it over, but I feel like it would be very very hard for him to involved without everyone from the Empire and *possibly* Laurelton automatically deferring to him. Granted, now that i think about it the Kislev and Dwarf contingent probably wouldn't. But like, Teclis founded the Colleges, Teclis fought in the Great War Against Chaos, etc etc. I feel like it'd be similar to if Magnus the Pious randomly showed up to a military campaign. Would he want to take control? Doesn't matter.
Though now that I think more about it, those of the colleges specifically involved in the Waystone Project may not immediately defer to Teclis the way I thought they would. Hm.
I suspect, that if it is Borek, and if he still cares about the money, he just would tell us to give it to his nephew.
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He/we derailed one version of the end times. I want it dead and burning. Never to return.
So can the EIC's spy network take advantage of those trade opportunities to insert agents into Tor Lithanel? Obviously humans aren't going to be infiltrating the Eonir administration or anything like that but they might be able to do a 'rumour mill' thing. This all depends on how trade between the Eonir and the Empire actually looks; I'm not sure how much contact human traders are going to have with Eonir if we trade, say, spices to them. Will Imperial traders enter they city and trade them in the markets, or will they meet Eonir traders at the edge of the forest or something? Anyway, that's something to keep in mind.
I don't think the Waystone project would automatically subsume itself to Teclis. First of all, none of our elves would respect him by default. Hatalath would see him as a junior, Sarvoi as a Hoethian rival, and Cadaeth as a foreign dignitary trying to insert himself into internal affairs.
Thorek and Baba Niedzwenka wouldn't give him the time of day unless Mathilde asked them too. Zlata might be impressed with him unless it put her in danger of spilling secrets of the Ice Court, in which case she'd default to being distant.
Askel has no reason to obey him and evey reason to tell him to piss off.
Tocther is a druid.
Mathilde and Egrimm are too cynical—Mathilde because she believes he was holding back and Egrimm because he doesn't trust authority on general principles.
Elrisse will only support Teclis if his leadership is more useful than the involvement of everyone else—she's a touch too practical, in that regard.
Thorek and Baba Niedzwenka wouldn't give him the time of day unless Mathilde asked them too. Zlata might be impressed with him unless it put her in danger of spilling secrets of the Ice Court, in which case she'd default to being distant.
Askel has no reason to obey him and evey reason to tell him to piss off.
Tocther is a druid.
Mathilde and Egrimm are too cynical—Mathilde because she believes he was holding back and Egrimm because he doesn't trust authority on general principles.
Elrisse will only support Teclis if his leadership is more useful than the involvement of everyone else—she's a touch too practical, in that regard.
The thing is... If teclis really would come back and be ok with the waystone project then the project is effectively finished, because the elf's know how the waystones work, they might not be able to recreate them fully but they can make new ones.
Most of our expertise would be useless because teclis would know or could look it up.
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Thats definetly what they want us to think. But would they really be letting the network fall apart like it slowly is if they could?
We literally know of one instance where they replaced a waystone, so yes, they can do it.
Edit: they probably don't know everything but they do know the important parts, how to connect a new waystone to the network, how the collection and storage system works and the general magical outline of a waystone.
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That means we move our goals to can we make generation 2 waystones.
Kinda? Still means he mostly subsumes the project.
I see it like this, if in 1940 (or whenever that project began) a nuclear scientist from the 21 century shows up and is willing to help the Manhattan project then he's probably going to be leader of said project. (Keeping in mind that he is a already trusted individual to the gov and scientist, which is what teclis is.)
Edit: if teclis wants that or if the wood elves and dwarfs are ok with that are other questions but that's just my opinion of this.
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No, she practically worships him.
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The Elves used an Old One monolith as a base for recreating a lost Waystone, and I believe Hatalath was surprised they still had any, indicating that they're pretty rare. Being able to recreate Waystones in such an incredibly limited fashion is not ideal. It's not a real long term solution.
Mathilde is sceptical about the full blown "teclesian" school of magic, but he's still the elf who literally build the colleges up to what they are now.
The admiration is still there and if elf dad comes back we would probably happily work under him if that so happens.
The admiration is still there and if elf dad comes back we would probably happily work under him if that so happens.
Oh your absolutely right, but they still have to have the knowledge on how the system works to recreate it, even with this limited approach.
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Yeah sure, but there's still room for improvement. As long as there's room for improvement, we can still continue the project. Teclis joining wouldn't "finish" the project, it would advance it significantly. Assuming he even wants us to continue with it.