That makes sense, thank you. Though it does seems that no one ever cared to test or try to observe stuff like that (which is probably for the better) because the only actual part that connects Dhar turning into warpstone is your first source and that's a speculation on a very specific set of circumstances (Dhar being drawn into a henge that is corrupted) and seems to imply that normally it would vanish... How it does the vanishing part i don't know...
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Oh sorry, you're not aware of the context. That first line was specifically referring to the corruption of Waystones, not Warpstone in general. This is the paragraph preceding it:
"Leylines are also a very attractive prospect for those that draw upon mixes of the colours of magic, either in the clean form of High Magic or in the dangerous form of Dark Magic, because all colours are present as they flow along the Leylines. Certain powerful and entirely corrupted warlocks and necromancers have found ways to corrupt the Leylines as they pass through Henges. If the exit path of magic entering the Henge can be blocked or destroyed, then the magic flowing into the Henge will be trapped within the stone circle itself, unable to move onward and unable to leak out into the atmosphere unless tapped into directly by a magic user. Such a thing is terrible, for not only does it risk destabilising the delicate balance of the Great Vortex, but it also means that the magic contained within the Henge will gradually combine and stagnate into that most dangerous of all Aethyric energy, Dhar."
That paragraph was specifically addressing the acccumulated Dhar within a leyline. If there is no block, then any Dhar that is generated is usually cleared up eventually when the leyline does its job.
Thank you again. Still means that Dhar turning into the warpstone is more of a speculative "what if" that hasn't been proven yet. I see where they come from ( as warpstone is magic in it's physical form) but i do find it interesting that if that's the actual process, it's such a long one that proving it would take a dedicated high-elf and a long lived patch of concentrated dhar... Which is a bad combo if i ever hear one...
I mean, sure reducing risk is arguably the "greater" benefit of waystone network. But it's very intangible.
On the other hand, the magic pumped out is a very tangible benefit that can power great works on the leel of the great rune of Valaya or other amazing feats that we don't know precisely.
Hell, the magic from the (relatively) small area of the Laurelorn forest occupied and exploited by Nordland was considered valuable enough to risk war with the Empire. And no, it wasn't about lessening the risks of ambiant magic in that case since the re-activation of K8P was mentionned to have been able to perhaps avoid that tragedy if it happened before.
So yeah, I'd think that the outgoing magic is extremely valuable and is a very big benefit for the factions controlling the network. Just look at Thorgrim's reaction when Vlag was reconnected.
If the Empire decided to just redirect the flow of magic to use it like Kislev or Karaz Ankor are doing the elves would probably be in huge trouble and they'd problably much rather have to pay for the magic than be cut of, nevermind if the price also includes an actual increase in the amount they receive.
...that only works if we actually have a use for all that magic, otherwise it just accumulates in the empire, which is terribad.
And we don't really have a good use for that much magic.
I mean, we don't have a use YET, but we do have partners in the waystone project that could perhaps impart us a way to use it.
We might also eventualy be able to redirect it to Karaz Ankor who could probably make a good use of it and are much better allies of the Empire. Not that I'm argueing to do that but getting paid eiter in knowledge, elfpower, artefacts, money, etc. certainly seems fair to me.
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Cool, do you know if the ankor network can use that much magic? Or a way to use ice witch magic that's not becoming part of Kislev?
Any use of that much magic has to come from us because we can't guarantee shit with others.
There are no more runesmiths that can build works like the eyes.
And Kislev runs on a completely different magic system.
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What no? There's a lot that needs to be unpacked in this statement but oh boy here's a starting list.
1) Nordland was had made absolutely fucking massive incursions into Laurelorn. Like jeesssusss. There's a fuckton of overlapping land.
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2) They were willing to risk extinction because they could see the writing on the wall on how they'd get nibbled away into nothing if something drastic didn't change. Part of it was the special trees being cut, but a larger part is the humans inadvertently destroying their military fortifications in the form of other trees they've cultivated (see the arboreal firing platform)
3) There is no evidence of them somehow "harvesting" the magic (edit specifically from the tributary trees) to use. Mathilde saw energy drawn in and dumped into the ground. From what we've seen tributaries in general take magic and dump it low enough belowground that it trundles path of least resistance into a leyline. Like okay yeah its implied they're probably tapping into the network in general, but there is not a lack of magical energy causing issues. Its quite the opposite.
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The Winds tend to radiate, and when they spread thin enough they become earthbound magic. Dhar clumps together and draws more magic in. Perhaps if you figured out a way to isolate it from incoming energy and spread it thin enough it might become earthbound, but there's no way for that to happen naturally at the Empire's latitudes.
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Is there a corrupted form of earthbound magic? Sylvania strongly implies there is, because if it were just in the air then buried bodies wouldn't rise from the earth under rock.
The real question I have is if tributaries would be able to drain whatever it is that Sylvania has going on, if the trickle-path were bored to an active waystone.
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Now that I think about it, every Black Ark probably hosts, or is, a Waystone, sucking in magic from the air and the sea to keep itself afloat and fuel its weapons.
Which might be why they can't make more of them.
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In WFRP 4e, Wizards get access to the Magical Sense talent in the third tier of their career (Master Wizard), which does this:
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They can make more of them, just not city-sized ones anymore.
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The new ones are probably actual ships, not castles and cities kept afloat by magic, right? Tbf my research sources are limited to 2nd edition whfrpg books and the wiki, and neither talks much about them.
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I like the rope Idea. I am sure that someone should be able to come up with a solution to the stolen rope problem. Maybe use that gray magic spell to make it seem worthless?
I like the rope Idea. I am sure that someone should be able to come up with a solution to the stolen rope problem. Maybe use that gray magic spell to make it seem worthless?
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Probably "True Dhar", but then again that topic is pretty convoluted:
Its name isn't really compelling.
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Ah yes, a checks notes 20th century technology civilization using checks again a form of fuel that has to spend untold aeons to actually be usable as fuel.
Yeah, but this is like if oil was also radioactive and actively evil. Which... You know... Close enough...
Actually it's like leaded gas...
New hypothesis: warpstone is just leaded gas but solid, in this here TED talk i will...
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Checks notes again decided to use a toxic substance that lowered the collective academic acumen of the planet by statistically notable margin and caused untold amount of death.
Where was the problem indeed
You know the best part? The dude who invented leaded gasoline switched industries later on and worked in refrigeration. Guess what he did there?Checks notes again decided to use a toxic substance that lowered the collective intelligence of a planet by statistically notable margin and caused untold amount of death.
Where was the problem indeed
Edit: hint: it's about as bad as leaded gasoline.
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I was, in fact, aware of that. People be like timetravel, shoot Hitler this, shoot Stalin that, drop Mao from the roof, but honestly, this man has them all beat by possibly order of magnitude.
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Tbf in refrigeration it was almost necessary to use the gasses involved. There were no real alternatives. Still impressive though how one person can do that much damage...
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I sincerely doubt that. If they tried hard enough, there is, afaik, nothing about the current and past replacements for Freon that was not manufacturable in the fifties.
If you take it like that, you could argue for leaded gasoline too. But honestly we have diverged too far already.
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Notably, the only two mentions of True Dhar in Winds of Magic were removed after errata, and the term exists nowhere else in 4e. It doesn't look like it was judged to be a concept well-suited to continued existence.