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I dont know if you understand how much gold this is.

Our entire debt to the eic is about 1000 gold.

our journeyman workshop cost less than 200 gold.

5k is a very generous amount of gold to invest already.

I'm absolutely aware, I just think that there is pretty much no functional limit when it comes to outfitting a lab to study magic if we're able to get dwarven quality tools and runes involved. I think it's always going to be worth investing more given the subject matter.
 
Can someone summarize how we plan to get the Dwarf Engineer to the entrance of the Citadel?

People throw out terms like Dwarf Balloon and I have no idea what that means.
 
Huh. Well the biggest cost is probably going to be the massive amount of runic protections we'd probably want for the place, just in case everything goes horribly wrong. That and probably dwarf tier tools. Could be really expensive.
Yeah I figure they will be in favors, which is why I'm thinking about approaching the K8P base from the perspective of using the favors to build it and get it nice and shiny, then use the gold to buy extra ontop so that we do it right the first time.
 
There are probably parts of the Caldera-Karag Lhune border that we could descend in which are cast in shadow during the early afternoon, even.

This probably gets into the several hours walk issue. A place big enough that it will grow enough crops to support tens of thousands of people will be larger than I think people appreciate.
 
we instead use the process
  1. Descend from Karag Lhune into Caldera
  2. Walk from the Caldera part of Karag Lhune's base to Grobi Town
  3. Sabotage!

If you mean internally, to get from Karag Lhune to the caldera means going through parts of the Underway that the Expedition hasn't secured yet - this is an option but the known dangers of the Citadel are thought better than the unknown dangers of an area scouts discovered a bunch of mauled Skaven corpses in. If you mean externally, it would mean clambering about the outside of a mountain to try to find a way to abseil down that isn't in direct view of the entire caldera.
 
I honestly think we should wait till we get final tally of this stage of K8P reconquest before we know what we want to buy.

At least because I, for example, want to keep with reconquest until we reconquer all of it, which means I am less interested in investing into stuff back in Stirland and care more about setting up shop somewhere here, or buying high-quality personal gear to shank orks/trolls/skaven with.
 
I honestly think we should wait till we get final tally of this stage of K8P reconquest before we know what we want to buy.

At least because I, for example, want to keep with reconquest until we reconquer all of it, which means I am less interested in investing into stuff back in Stirland and care more about setting up shop somewhere here, or buying high-quality personal gear to shank orks/trolls/skaven with.
There is a lot of push to buy better swording gear I know that much, given the access to gromril and dwarven rune craft.
 
Can someone summarize how we plan to get the Dwarf Engineer to the entrance of the Citadel?

People throw out terms like Dwarf Balloon and I have no idea what that means.
We are using Substance of Shadow to make him intangible, invisible and soundless. Then we're going to sneak him through the citadel or over it, depending on the easiest path.

The dwarf balloon idea came when boneym told us that Mathilde would tie a rope between our belts and due to a quirk of the spell, make him float behind us.
 
If you mean internally, to get from Karag Lhune to the caldera means going through parts of the Underway that the Expedition hasn't secured yet - this is an option but the known dangers of the Citadel are thought better than the unknown dangers of an area scouts discovered a bunch of mauled Skaven corpses in. If you mean externally, it would mean clambering about the outside of a mountain to try to find a way to abseil down that isn't in direct view of the entire caldera.
I did mean externally, yes; the Underway would be much too reckless. We've had scouts and sentries crawling over all the areas that we control for a couple days now keeping an eye out for any possible incoming enemies and familiarizing themselves with the terrain; I would hope that they can already recommend a good location. Even if they can't, they can at least point us to a mediocre one, greenskins don't have telescopes, it's a large enough distance that only someone keen-eyed and looking would have a chance to notice us, and we've got several types of stealth spells. Seems less risky than braving a direct path through an entire fortress overall.
This probably gets into the several hours walk issue. A place big enough that it will grow enough crops to support tens of thousands of people will be larger than I think people appreciate.
This can't really be a problem because if we can walk from Karag Lhune to the Citadel in a reasonable timeframe then we can also walk from Karag Lhune to the city next to the Citadel in a similar or identical timeframe. It only matters if we're on a really tight schedule such that a slight diversion in route would cost us time we can't afford and I think we've got a bit of slack here.
 
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The dwarf balloon idea came when boneym told us that Mathilde would tie a rope between our belts and due to a quirk of the spell, make him float behind us.
Can't he move on his own under the spell?
The spell seems pretty useless to me otherwise.

We would almost never want to cast the spell on Mathilde under that interpretation.
 
Can't he move on his own under the spell?
The spell seems pretty useless to me otherwise.

We would almost never want to cast the spell on Mathilde under that interpretation.
The quirk in this case is it makes him weightless and able to move but him being able to move is not important, since if he's weightles Mathilde can pull him behind her. She's used Substance of Shadow on herself before and ran around pretty freely.
 
I did mean externally, yes; the Underway would be much too reckless. We've had scouts and sentries crawling over all the areas that we control for a couple days now keeping an eye out for any possible incoming enemies and familiarizing themselves with the terrain; I would hope that they can already recommend a good location. Even if they can't, they can at least point us to a mediocre one, greenskins don't have telescopes, it's a large enough distance that only someone keen-eyed and looking would have a chance to notice us, and we've got several types of stealth spells.

It's a valid alternative, but it seems like Mathilde would be better able to handle the potential problems quietly inside the Citadel than she would abseiling down into the caldera and making her way through Grobitown.

Can't he move on his own under the spell?

Normally he could, but he would be rendered insubstantial to anything except what was already working on him, so with a rope tied to him he sort of gets towed along.
 
There is a lot of push to buy better swording gear I know that much, given the access to gromril and dwarven rune craft.
Sometimes you just need the Keen Flaming Holy +5 Greatsword to get the job done.

Should help tremendously in assassinating tough targets, because the faster we are done, the less likely it is we are detected and intercepted.
 
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It's a valid alternative, but it seems like Mathilde would be better able to handle the potential problems quietly inside the Citadel than she would abseiling down into the caldera and making her way through Grobitown.
If that's her call as the experienced infiltrator here I guess I'll trust her judgement over mine. I would have called the Citadel suicide and the Caldera a relatively safe approach.

Gazul wields a sword, and some of his followers do the same. They often have to make it themselves or commission a manling to make it because there's just no institutional knowledge of how to do so among Dwarves.
This passed without significant notice earlier but I am appalled that dwarf society has so little respect for the necessity of protecting their dead that they would consider it acceptable to give their religious order of guardians manling weapons. And so little respect for their ancestor god that they'd put up with such an awful situation as to have even their master smiths unable to properly equip his servants in his image rather than spending a couple decades relearning how to make decent swords.
 
@BoneyM What effect does the Black Lotus poison have on trolls? Would it effect them normally if we can get them to ingest it?
 
Gazul wields a sword, and some of his followers do the same. They often have to make it themselves or commission a manling to make it because there's just no institutional knowledge of how to do so among Dwarves.

That seems wrong, Alaric the Runesmith that created the Runefangs forged them himself. I can't see the dwarves not knowing how to forge swords..
 
@BoneyM, if Substance of shadows interacts weirdly with laws of physics - i.e.: objects can float, would it allow to climb like gravity was not there? That spell seems like it makes gravity to be rather subjective thing. Would something like that require great power, or it is area of spell mastery?

Also, how substance of shadows would interact with explosion? Is following viable? Mathilde lights the fuse in a bomb, and cast Substance of Shadows on it. She goes away. Fuse burns up and bomb explodes. Explosion creates enough light to break the spell and make bomb material once again, thus bomb explosion have normal effects. Mathilde weathers shockwave in immaterial state due to not interacting physically with the world. Is it viable? Non-viable? Unpredictable? Or requires tests to be sure?
 
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I am intrigued about possibly getting a Mercenary company under our employ as part of Dame Weber's retinue with the money we are getting from this expedition. It would allow us to project force across the world without us having to be there. And, if managed correctly, could supply themselves with the funds needed to keep going long after their founding. The tricky thing would be to be in control of such a mercenary company and getting income from them if we aren't there to keep them reminded who their employer is.

I would still want to get the Grey Order's approval before even beginning to embark on accomplishing that though.
 
If that's her call as the experienced infiltrator here I guess I'll trust her judgement over mine. I would have called the Citadel suicide and the Caldera a relatively safe approach.

This passed without significant notice earlier but I am appalled that dwarf society has so little respect for the necessity of protecting their dead that they would consider it acceptable to give their religious order of guardians manling weapons. And so little respect for their ancestor god that they'd put up with such an awful situation as to have even their master smiths unable to properly equip his servants in his image rather than spending a couple decades relearning how to make decent swords.
With them being an ancestor worshiping culture down to the earliest days, them not respecting the dead is probably an incorrect conclusion. One that makes more sense to me is that most of the greatsword forging institutional knowledge is found in Gazul's worshipers.

E: of which there are few to my understanding.
 
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