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Just wanted to point out @cheesyme @spiritualatheist it seems that the Tally isn't recognizing your votes as part of the Burn everything plan, you might want to fix that.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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[X] Sinsystems
- Location
- The Star Kingdom of Manticore
Do you know what happens when you try to make an unprepared army move fast? Disaster. If we want to intervene in the citadel while something else is attacking we will first need to wake everyone who is a sleep. Then we will need to find everyone who wandered off somewhere else. Then they need to get their weapons and armor on and ready. Then we need to start marching towards the citadel. Getting an army up and moving takes hours to do properly. Most battles are over in less time than it takes an army to get ready for battle. To add to that these "soldiers" are mercs. They are not trained and professional soldiers that know the value of speed. They will fumble and stumble around making it way longer to get ready.
And if you think yelling at them will work all that will do is decrease moral.
I think you are underestimating in a major way just how long it takes to get an army into functional battle lines and marching. You could of course be in favor of just charging the citadel with no plan and no battle lines. Of course that will kill a great deal of men.
Agreed. Night actions in general are a shitshow. An unexpected night action? Against Skaven who are far, far better than a man in darkness? It's a recipe for disaster.
- Location
- Pilipinas
If you guys want to help ths Ranald Priesthood (if it can be called that), then we can start at clearing out the Altdorf Underground Newspaper, Laborers Union, and Thieves Guild of the various Sigmarite Infiltrators, whistleblowers and spies (IIRC the entire leadership are sigmarite agents and these organizations are mere fronts to lure in Ranaldites). Plenty of devotees of Ranald are arrested in canon because of that ( this is meta knowledge and its unlikely that Mathilde will know unless Ranald tells her via Moses-like communication i.e. burning bush and releasing his people from the Pharoah-err ..emperor)
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- Location
- Germany
[X] Plan Burning Everything Now
- Location
- Mexico
They are not green men sloppily trying to get into their armor after 10 years in the farm, if anything mercs are more familar with the procedure than regular soldiers.
This is a combat zone, they all know it, if they need more than a day to get marching they we are going to die anyway, because we could be attacked at any moment.
It's ok to be paranoid, but we cannot base our actions on the firm belief that everything will go wrong.
Our men being unable to pull what is an essential manouver with a generous time frame?
Orcs and Skaven putting aside their differences and uniting against us?
A spell that by all we know has amazing synergy with fire somehow impeding it?
Why not apply the same to all other plans? Why trust our rangers to actually know how to use fire, or out siege engines to aim at the grubi and not our forces, why would we know to wake up in time to actually do anything? We might as well pack up and leave if everyone and everything is conspiring against us.
Seriously, if they don't have their weapons and armor at the ready now, then this campaign is doomed no matter what we choose
Dude, it does not matter. Historical night actions in real life were incredibly risky precisely because no one could tell what the fuck was going on, even when they were planned in advance. A spontaneous night fight would be complete and utter fucking chaos.
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- Mexico
I'm kinda tired so I might be overlooking things, but the night fight is not part of the plan is it? It's an early morning march, we would fight at the break of down, all they need to do at night is move and be ready.
if it comes to a night fight things went wrong, and what is being discussed is whether they would be ready for it, which I think we have every reason to believe they would. Whether or not that's enough, that's an entirely different thing.
Yes, but do not need to be specified. If given prep time before doing something tricky Mathilde will set up precautions, though drawing a protective circle into the dirt with a foot isn't quite as effective as what she could manage with a fully-stocked workshop or a city to shop from.
Panoramia can do another growth cycle, and then the catapults can fire non-poisoned caltrops until they've got their aim dialled in and drop the poisoned ones where they'd be the biggest obstacle.
Damn good idea. I'd gone fishing for a word for it before but hadn't hit on that. Consider this canon.
Mathilde can't be taught enough architecture in a few hours to know what to look for. She'd have to escort a suitably skilled Dwarf down there.
At this point she's recovered.
If he couldn't give a definitive answer things would have gotten pretty awkward and difficult.
I think the entire time in Stirland only had one or two on-screen natural 100s.
Yes and yes.
Ever since the Chaos Dwarves started getting involved personally in Chaos incursions, it's no longer unknown to manlings.
Won't know until she tries, a large part is based on local aethyric conditions and as such is effectively random.
Apart from a few rolls that have been linked to, all my rolls have been done on random.org. It seems to have been carefully examined and is well respected so I can only assume that Ranald is paying more attention now.
Yeah, this was a misleading choice of wording on my part. Technically a Grudge kicks in the moment the action in question has occurred, but there are ways to settle it before it reaches the point of violent vengeance. Because Dwarves know to take the matter deadly serious and largely share the same cultural moral code, Grudges still occur between them but are almost always settled by someone making amends, rather than someone receiving violence.
One share will be enough to catapult a peasant into 'nicest farm in the village' territory. I've yet to sit down and bang my head against the Warhammer economy but as a non-binding ballpark more than 10 but less than 100 sounds right.
The potential morale factor with Codrin's mercenaries is something you are aware of, though. Mathilde has been present for every Council of War meeting. If you suggest waiting it'll be assumed you've taken all factors into account and the advantages of waiting outweigh the disadvantages.
The battle is occurring at earliest the afternoon after the celebration entirely to give everyone time to sober up and stop being hung over. This is before breathalysers so close enough to sober is considered good enough.
It would probably be best to not make it completely clear to everyone that a big chunk of the gambled money ended up in Mathilde's possession.
Next to nothing. They're up there and somehow not dead yet. Kislev and Ostland are the only non-Dwarves that would have any sort of official relations with them.
1) Old wood, old mud, uncured furs, leather, all leaning haphazardly against each other. Fungus on anything rotting.
2) Yes, she's seen it burn before in the Hall of the Moon.
3) Lamp oil, sawdust, gunpowder.
This is true and I have brought shame to the thread. Atonement will be made.
Shamans are visible under Magesight as exuding Waaagh energy, but so are large groups of non-Shaman greenskins. Impossible to tell at range.
No.
Yes.
Not, unless it must be sustained for more than a few minutes.
Yes, but less so than otherwise.
Enough for the fire to spread on its own, but not quite a tinderbox.
Lamp oil, sawdust, gunpowder.
Depends on leadership and how much they want a good fight. Greenskins are too unpredictable to say one way or the other.
Flint, tinder, lamp oil.
No.
Smoke from a burning fire is rich in Aqshy. She'd only be able to spot Shamans or confusion through it.
Very high risk, medium reward, uncomfortably high number of unknowns.
Not unless you brought an expert with you.
Would make the spell easier for her to sustain over long periods.
Mathilde's relationship with Ranald is more unstructured than usual.
Gazul wields a sword, and some of his followers do the same. They often have to make it themselves or commission a manling to make it because there's just no institutional knowledge of how to do so among Dwarves.
Unless there's a gaping hole in the plan, whatever Mathilde suggests is like to be used. It'd be like if the most important factor in a battle was down to the artillery, Durin would be making the plan.
Entirely unused. The magic system this thread is using has drifted far enough from RAW 2e that it should be considered its own beast.
Literally, insufficiently aged ale. Often used to refer to young warriors who have enthusiasm but so far lack in experience.
Anything I've missed?
Good. Because the term ritual always made me think of Rituals. Which are actually 100% reliable and safe provided that you do everything right. Of course, making a mistake has truly horrific consequences.
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The Great One
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- Everywhere
How risky would this be? Could we hide them using spells?
And how about using lenses from a high vantage point to allow the engineer to get a look at the citadel entrance? Would that any effective, especially with Gold Journeyman aid?
The Venn diagram between architectural experts and stealth is pretty much untouching among the Dwarves, so it would definitely be a challenge.
The only places you could get an angle on the entrance would be at the lip of the caldera, which would be fully exposed to being seen from both the citadel and the caldera.
- Location
- Vancouver
I agree with you in general but it's futile trying to apply historical law to a fictional institution.
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- The Star Kingdom of Manticore
So first, 18 hours is not the time frame for the intervention. That is the time frame between the two plans happening. If the skaven attack the citadel we may have an hour before the skaven will lock down the citadel, if we are really lucky and spot the attack the instant it happens. Even that seems unbelievably optimistic. I simply cannot see any late medieval army readying up and launching an assault successfully at night in under an hour. Add to that the dangers of fighting a night action and things go south far far quicker than anyone realizes.
If the goblins and the orcs attack then both of our plans have failed already. The whole goal of the top two plans is to separate the goblins in the citadel and the goblins in the caldera. If the goblins attack the citadel than we have to hope that the orcs of the citadel win because otherwise we are facing the situation both plans hope to avoid which is fighting a great deal more goblins then we want to.
Ugh so we would only get a few minutes of boiling the greenskins before it starts to get increasingly harder. Everything that doesn't die in those first couple of minutes, and remember all the buildings the goblins will be hiding in, could start to rush up to the citadel. I don't know how long we would have to hold the spell to make sure the dwarfs could seal up the citadel but I am currently thinking more than a couple of minutes.
This plan seems worse by the minute.
The most important factor in the plan is preventing reinforcements from reaching the Citadel, and conventional Dwarven warfare doesn't have a way to achieve that. You've proven yourself the reigning master of causing chaos and discord among their ranks, so your plan is likely to be the one the force goes with unless it's completely bonkers.
Greenskins do have a healthy sense of self-preservation, and there's no visible indication of whether a given shadow is normal or currently made of acid.
- Location
- Austria
(X) Doubt
- Location
- Leeds
Yes. Here:
You should have made a pun about the relationship being more unstrictured.
Right now the situation is favorable, but we can't rely on it staying favorable. The Orcs in the Citadel are too weak to hold it for long, and the Grobi in the Caldera are going to sort out who is the boss eventually.
Basically, waiting for the perfect moment definitely costs us at least one of our present advantages (the high morale among the mercenaries who will be ideally doing the dying) and may well cost us the opportunity entirely (if the Skaven attack/Grobitown unifies what have you). I don't deny that !Fortress Burning Shadows would be awesome, but waiting in this situation is just too risky.
Better a good plan now than a perfect one later.
Basically, waiting for the perfect moment definitely costs us at least one of our present advantages (the high morale among the mercenaries who will be ideally doing the dying) and may well cost us the opportunity entirely (if the Skaven attack/Grobitown unifies what have you). I don't deny that !Fortress Burning Shadows would be awesome, but waiting in this situation is just too risky.
Better a good plan now than a perfect one later.
- Location
- Russia
Cast it once to burn greenskins in the open and demoralize those in the buildings. If/when they decide it's safe enough and come out for a charge - recast. I think that after a couple of times that front will be safe enough.
Sure, but that was never the biggest issue with the plan.