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Also, on the matter of dance books, I'd be up for it if we can figure out for sure that Ranald = Loec and Loec = Ranald, but for now I don't really wanna go whole hog on it.
mathymancer said:
Huh? What are you...

Oh. Oh! I missed that this is a thing! My eyes tend to slide over the of the descriptions of purchase options since they are usually the same from one turn to the next.
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...Huh. I totally did the same.
 
Codex said:
In terms of Breughel, I finally found out what he means. The Breughels are a real life family of dutch and flemish painters that were likely implemented in Warhammer. I found them in the form of the Vargr Breughel Memorial theatre that Detlef Sierck, one of the most famous playwrights of the entire Old World, runs. This establishment is patronised by Emperor Luitpold. You can find this in this page of the wiki.
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I swear I was sure Boney meant Tample Of Drama in Altdorf. But is seems I was wrong. I suppose that is what I get for skimming the articles.

Boney said:
Loec books have only a few very specific genres of dance within them.
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Is is break dance? Please be breakdance...

 
BurnNote said:
Hell, the invention of hygiene is often put at 1847, and you could argue for later dates, and it would take a good while until washing your hands as a good idea was accepted. Like, going to a hospital could lower your survival rates, because the doctors touched nasty shit beforehand. And getting doctors to actually wash their hands was a whole fight, despite very clear numbers.

Other cultures and times were better about it, but shitty medicine is the default human experience. And even today, in the places with genuinely working medicine, there's still plenty not understood, and also plenty of bullshit.
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In Islam, which spread like wildfire around the Arab world quite a while ago, we are instructed to wash ourselves before prayer, and there are five prayers per day. The washing is basic, but it involves washing your hands and forearms all the way up to the elbows, the inside of your mouth, the inside of your nose, your hair, the back of your ears and face in general, as well as your feet up to the shin. And you had to wash all those sections three times per Abolution.

Hygiene was a pretty big thing for us and remains so. Your prayer is not valid unless you're clean. I'm pretty sure that's a standard of Hygiene.
 
Codex said:
In Islam, which spread like wildfire around the Arab world quite a while ago, we are instructed to wash ourselves before prayer, and there are five prayers per day. The washing is basic, but it involves washing your hands and forearms all the way up to the elbows, the inside of your mouth, the inside of your nose, your hair, the back of your ears and face in general, as well as your feet up to the shin. And you had to wash all those sections three times per Abolution.

Hygiene was a pretty big thing for us and remains so. Your prayer is not valid unless you're clean. I'm pretty sure that's a standard of Hygiene.
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Interestingly, in a grim sort of way, in Europe a similar conceptual link between cleanliness and righteousness had a much more negative effect, as many doctors took the suggestion that a gentleman's hands could ever be unclean as a personal insult.
 
BeepSmile said:
Boney: Gives serious answers.
Also Boney: Occasionally does so using phrasing like in the quote above.
BeepSmile: Has not yet learned to not drink things while reading this thread.
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I still treasure Boney's answer to whether or not something "would fly in the tower-measuring competition":

Boney said:
No, it's firmly attached to the mountain and absolutely lacking in any aerodynamic qualities.
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Is it weird to ask Rolf / our fief peasants what they think of the sheep eating the mushroom thing from the Dum Expedition? Or would that spook them too much?

Also tbh I found the organ vat bit interesting, but I was more interested in the vat itself than the contebtsm. Probably runs into the Studying-Dhar article and needs dispensation, though.
 
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Sorry if this has been brought up (it probably has), but any use/viability in getting more greatsword books?

Current: "Greatswords +7 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Bretonnian"

Dwarven or Elven, or Esoteric Bretonnian
 
Codex said:
While this is very much an important lesson, and it's expected of a Grey Wizard, I think things are a bit different for Mathilde and perhaps that skewed my viewpoint. Mathilde had her fair share of deeds that went unnoticed, but a good portion of what she's done is public and was done through a public position. Mathilde herself has taken some time to indulge in her achievements and rewards and ego, to the point that the thread made the "headpat" meme off of it.

It's still very important to maintain the idea that you shouldn't let things go to your head too much and maintain a low profile, but I'd like to think Mathilde has a kind of different viewpoint on this due to her own personal experiences.
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The thread (and Mathilde) is pretty OK with secret headpats, though. A lot of her achievements are hidden from the general public, but Mathilde is content to receive approval from couple of authority figures (like Algard or Dragomas) and no one else. And most of potential Grey deeds will get similar headpats, "so secret that you can tell no one at all" are in the minority, because secrecy or not, Patriarch usually has to know what happens in his College.
 
Boney said:
Interestingly, in a grim sort of way, in Europe a similar conceptual link between cleanliness and righteousness had a much more negative effect, as many doctors took the suggestion that a gentleman's hands could ever be unclean as a personal insult.
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I think that's the difference between "I am righteous therefore I am clean" vs "I need to prove myself pure therefore I need to be clean". I guess that's just a difference in the context between the two situations creating different mindsets.
 
BeepSmile said:
Sorry if this has been brought up (it probably has), but any use/viability in getting more greatsword books?

Current: "Greatswords +7 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Bretonnian"

Dwarven or Elven, or Esoteric Bretonnian
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The remaining aspect of Branulhune is hand switching, and double tap is a stretch goal.

We benefited from greatsword books for guard bypass, because we could study a variety of guards in the books. We couldn't benefit from it for quickdraw and momentum dump because existing greatsword literature didn't really have anything to contribute there.

So, the question is if greatsword books are applicable to the aspects we have left.

...Might as well ask.

@Boney , will hand switching/double tap benefit from greatsword books? Or is that something we need to figure out ourselves? Also, will we be able to try the guard bypass again if we get the training sword?
 
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I'm sure it's been brought up at some point since the apprentice vote came up—is something like "Magical Pedagogy" an option for College book purchases? Mathilde does seem the type to, upon taking on an apprentice, go out and buy literally every book, biography and magazine article on the do's and do-not's of raising one to hunt for tips on not messing it up.
 
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LadyLynn said:
@Boney , will hand switching/double tap benefit from greatsword books? Or is that a "try it and find out"?
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It's likely to help, as offhanding a greatsword is unlikely to be so novel that nothing has ever been written on it.

LadyLynn said:
Also, will we be able to try the guard bypass again if we get the training sword?
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My current plan is that once 4/4 is hit, the thread will be asked whether they want to call it done or to go even further beyond by refining the guard bypass further. The training sword would be a big help for that.

Gavin Prince said:
I'm sure it's been brought up at some point since the apprentice vote came up—is something like "Magical Pedagogy" an option for College book purchases? Mathilde does seem the type to, upon taking on an apprentice, go out and buy literally every book, biography and magazine article on the do's and do-not's of raising one to hunt for tips on not messing it up.
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No, education in general is rather primitive in the time period, and magical education is extremely fragmented because of the institutional emphasis on individual paradigms and the widespread use of the master-apprentice system.
 
Boney said:
It's likely to help, as offhanding a greatsword is unlikely to be so novel that nothing has ever been written on it.
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Sweet.

[X] [FIEF] Approve plus Jade Wizard
[X] [CASH] Take half
[X] [LIBRARY] Colleges of Magic: Apparitions, Powerstones, Aethyr, Wild Magic
[X] [LIBRARY] Barak Varr: Metallurgy, Textiles, Athel Loren
[X] [LIBRARY] Barak Varr: Metallurgy, Bretonnia, Athel Loren
[X] [DWARF] Greatsword with Rune of the Unknown, for training (1 gallon AV)
[X] [COLLEGE] No purchase.
[X] [PURCHASE] Books on Greatswords(Extensive & Esoteric Eonir)

My understanding is that Extensive & Esoteric Eonir is currently all we can get for Greatsword books, based on what I'm reading in the thread. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
 
LadyLynn said:
My understanding is that Extensive & Esoteric Eonir is currently all we can get for Greatsword books, based on what I'm reading in the thread. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
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I do not believe Boney has ever weighed in on whether the dwarves have books about greatswords, but I strongly suspect that they do not beyond what's in the books about Gazul.

Anyway, sure, I'll go for this.

[X] [FIEF] Approve plus Jade Wizard
[X] [CASH] Take half
[X] [LIBRARY] Colleges of Magic: Apparitions, Powerstones, Aethyr, Wild Magic
[X] [LIBRARY] Barak Varr: Metallurgy, Bretonnia, Athel Loren
[X] [DWARF] Greatsword with Rune of the Unknown, for training (1 gallon AV)
[X] [COLLEGE] No purchase.
[] [PURCHASE] Books on Greatswords(Extensive & Esoteric Eonir)

Can't go back and change things for our previous bad rolls on Branarhune, but we can at least try to finish strong. 250gc is whatever, we're still money-positive on the turn.
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They would count as military so the Eonir are out, but through Gunnars she could get up to Extensive in Dwarven Greatsword books.
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Welp, nevermind.

[X] [PURCHASE] Books on Greatswords (Extensive Dwarven)
 
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...Wait, greatswords might count as one of the book topics we can't get from the Library of Mournings yet because they're presumably militarily relevant.

@Boney Sorry to ping again, but what Greatsword books are we capable of purchasing right now, if any? Can we get them from the Library of Mournings? Do the Dwarves have any, perhaps under Gazul?
 
[X] [FIEF] Approve plus Jade Wizard
[X] [CASH] Take half
[X] [LIBRARY] Colleges of Magic: Apparitions, Powerstones, Aethyr, Wild Magic
[X] [LIBRARY] Barak Varr: Metallurgy, Textiles, Athel Loren
[X] [DWARF] Greatsword with Rune of the Unknown, for training (1 gallon AV)
[X] [PURCHASE] Books on Greatswords(Extensive & Esoteric Eonir)

I wonder, if we take the few hundred gold and invest it back into the EIC what would get done with that?

picklepikkl said:
[ ] [COLLEGE] No purchase.
Saving that CF for the gigaflex.
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Do we have a specific gigaflex planned? I've been away from the thread for a few hundred pages, forgive my ignorance.

Burned_Cookie said:
[X] [COLLEGE] Celestial Mage for Book mine
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What is the appeal of getting a 'Celestial Mage for Book mine'? Do we want to do fortune-telling out of the library or are we trying to get it to rain inside? Please enlighten me.
 
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