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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Say, I wonder if Egrimm will be looking to how Mathilde treats Eike to get a better gauge on Mathilde as a person.

His own experience with a Master being what it is, and all.
 
BurnNote said:
Personally, I think the ambiguity is deliberate. Boney prefers if the players have to make their own decision on what something means (which doesn't mean there's not correct answer, just that he often doesn't tell, and sometimes the correct answer gets determined when it becomes relevant). You even have this bit:
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The entire line of research is dead for all time I think, even if it is Chaos, even if it is orcs, we sacrificed knowledge for faith, not most of knowledge for some faith. As someone who argued that knowledge would allow us to do the waagh study I cannot see how it would be otherwise without having our cake and eating it.

At the very least with the hedgewise something useful probably came out of that choice.
 
Artemis1992 said:
A bit too early for that.

We can work with a Journeyman, but an Apprentice gets tought, not cooperated with.
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Boney said:
An Apprentice is a big commitment and would require some work on your part, but the point of Junior Apprenticeship is to get the student to the point where they'd be at least as much help as they are a hindrance to their future Master, so she shouldn't be an outright encumbrance. After all, you spent most of your time with Regimand assisting him with research and translations, tagging along on the occasional adventure within Altdorf, and performing projects he pointed you at and left you with. Your role as her Master wouldn't be to tutor her one-on-one for months at a time, but to allow her the opportunity of learning from her experiences as she assists you in your endeavours.
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Now, does that mean Eike will be doing serious intellectual work on our AV research actions? No. But people have already raised the Lustrian papers research action as one that it seems likely Eike will be able to meaningfully help with, for example. She's not an equal partner by any means, but she will still be very much a partner.

(...apologies to the anti-Apprenticeship lobby for speaking about this as a done deal, but there hasn't been a vote in pages and Mathilde taking Eike on currently has about 82% of the vote, so I think I commit no great hubris.)
 
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Artemis1992 said:
A bit too early for that.

We can work with a Journeyman, but an Apprentice gets tought, not cooperated with.
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We are putting out a paper on making Orbs of Sorcery, if we want to credit our favorite rock as a side author, I doubt anyone would stop us.

And she has a much better claim to things than a rock, given that if she wins the vote, she will be helping out. Maybe not on the advanced stuff, but helping move things and look things up is still help.
 
I'm of the same opinion as the latest Apocrypha post: even if it's ok to include Eike on the AV/orbs of sorcery paper, it's likely to make people have weird expectations of her. Do we really want her to (ha) live in Mathilde's shadow?
 
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Burned_Cookie said:
We are putting out a paper on making Orbs of Sorcery, if we want to credit our favorite rock as a side author, I doubt anyone would stop us.

And she has a much better claim to things than a rock, given that if she wins the vote, she will be helping out. Maybe not on the advanced stuff, but helping move things and look things up is still help.
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Moral support during a lengthy and somewhat boring process such as writing can be nice. Even if all she does is run in loops around the lab shouting catchphrases like "It's Morbin Time!" would be a fun distraction.
 
picklepikkl said:
This is incorrect.

Now, does that mean Eike will be doing serious intellectual work on our AV research actions? No. But people have already raised the Lustrian papers research action as one that it seems likely Eike will be able to meaningfully help with, for example. She's not an equal partner by any means, but she will still be very much a partner.

(...apologies to the anti-Apprenticeship lobby for speaking about this as a done deal, but there hasn't been a vote in pages and Mathilde taking Eike on currently has about 82% of the vote, so I think I commit no great hubris.)
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She's still an apprentice starting the second half (or was it second third?) of her magical education.

She can propably do some practical labwork, or kinda understand what we are doing if we guide her through it, but I really don't think she can meaningfully contribute at this point.
She would barely know how solid strands of Wind are supposed to act, nevermind know and be able to explain why they act abnormally here.

Like, if people are working on an IRL research-project, how often do they involve school kids in any meaningful capacity?
You usually stick to students at least, and not first-Semesters either, I think?
 
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Burned_Cookie said:
We are putting out a paper on making Orbs of Sorcery, if we want to credit our favorite rock as a side author, I doubt anyone would stop us.

And she has a much better claim to things than a rock, given that if she wins the vote, she will be helping out. Maybe not on the advanced stuff, but helping move things and look things up is still help.
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I'd say it seems like Mathilde has already figured out the "scientific" bits and mostly needs the stones and to set up the contraption, which I do think Eike could help with. Eike also has a different windsight so maybe that could provide interesting notes, but yeah I think her main role would be lab tech. No idea if they usually get cites on papers, but I don't think giving her some kudos in it would be out of hand
 
consequences said:
Well now we have to name them Morbs.

I hope you're happy with yourself.



I know I am.
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If Mathilde names the Orbs of Sorcery Morbs, that would be the point Panoramia instigates an intervention on Mathilde's behalf. I'm not sure Panoramia would be too happy to learn that other people would have her girlfriend's Morbs in their possession.
 
Artemis1992 said:
But explain how they act and at least theorizing why is going to be the meat of the paper.

After all you can't write a paper just on "it works", you have to at least try and explain the strange new phenomenon.
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Use Eike as a rubber duck.
When you encounter a problem (usually in coding but I think it'll work with magic as well), explain the problem and what you are doing to the duck, and that might trigger some ideas.
Even better, this duck can talk back.
 
consequences said:
Well now we have to name them Morbs.

I hope you're happy with yourself.



I know I am.
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People have been uncertain about how much the Orbs will be worth, but the answer is obvious: they will be worth precisely one morbillion CF.

On a more serious note, does anyone more learned in the ways of Warhammer know whether Varghulfs and Vargheists have the regenerative immortality that normal vampires do? Like, if Mathilde finds one in Drakenhof, will she get a new skull to go with the others on her mantelpiece?
 
Tomcost said:
Hmmmm. I wonder if there is an instance of a non orc forcibly conquering an orc warband. I mean, it should have happened at some point.
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If you count the Chaos Dwarves enslaving Greenskins, then yes, it's happened.

But generally speaking it doesn't happen often, because an Ork Warboss not only has to be proppa hard and proppa tough, but they also need to be proppa green, because green is da best.
 
Squamous Deity said:
People have been uncertain about how much the Orbs will be worth, but the answer is obvious: they will be worth precisely one morbillion CF.

On a more serious note, does anyone more learned in the ways of Warhammer know whether Varghulfs and Vargheists have the regenerative immortality that normal vampires do? Like, if Mathilde finds one in Drakenhof, will she get a new skull to go with the others on her mantelpiece?
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A degenerated vampire is still a vampire so yes she would have to keep their remains close.
 
Squamous Deity said:
People have been uncertain about how much the Orbs will be worth, but the answer is obvious: they will be worth precisely one morbillion CF.

On a more serious note, does anyone more learned in the ways of Warhammer know whether Varghulfs and Vargheists have the regenerative immortality that normal vampires do? Like, if Mathilde finds one in Drakenhof, will she get a new skull to go with the others on her mantelpiece?
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Varghulfs and Vargheists are Vampires, so yes they would be the same. The difference is that they're not all there mentally and they've been heavily altered physically through two different means. One is from blood starvation and the other through embracing the Vampire's Curse.
 
Personally, my theory is that Varghulfs were meant to outright be the Strigoi when they were introduced in 7th edition.

Then 8th made Strigoi Ghoul Kings a lord option and they were back again.
 
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