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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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The whole point of web-mat and the library is that we can throw 'organizational' money and manpower at problems that otherwise would have been the personal problems and story arc' for 'beginner' Mathy.

The hiring and then sacking (with a great recommendation letter for a good job) of a Celestial wizard we may or may not ever meet again is exactly what those organizations are for.

sometimes you just need a temp that will be gone before you even remember their name.

thats fine.
 
Mopman43 said:
Here's hoping there's a couple untainted enough that they deserve more than a trip to the nearest volcano.

I'm sure the vote over what to do with all the Dhar artifacts we turn up will be… something.
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Mannfred did spend a bit of time down in Nehekhara, so he might've brought back some Nehekharan artefacts. Maybe we can set up a museum displaying them! I reckon Altdorf would be a good place for it.
 
Andres said:
Actually there's something I wanted to ask about gyrocopters. I have this memory of someone saying that gyrocopters predate firearms but I have no idea if that's true or if I'm even remembering that right. How old are they?
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I don't think it was ever firmly nailed down when exactly they were invented, but the impression I get is that the earliest powered models would date back no more than three or four centuries. Stone and Steel puts the Dwarvish invention of gunpowder in the year -422. The argument could be made, I suppose, that either unpowered gliders or lighter-than-air dirigibles could have predated firearms.

Nurgle said:
@Boney does Mathilde know what kind of stone Drakenhof was built, on sandstone or limestone?
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No.

LawsOfRobotics said:
@Boney will Adela be tinkering with the gyrocopter on her own, either magically or mundane engineering?
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Not until she has a very good idea of how it works.

LawsOfRobotics said:
If so, could we take actions to work with her on that? You have said that because we didn't hire her as a full member of WEBMAT we can't take normal WEBMAT actions with her because we're not paying her for that, but what about either regular or WEBMAT actions directly related to the gyrocopter? I suspect it would have to be a regular action because of what you said here but I just wanted to check:
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Regular.
 
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Boney said:
You only get the bonus for having books if you can access them easily and freely. Being able to take a gyrocopter to Altdorf to look something up is not the same as having all the relevant books right there on your rotary reading desk for you to fill with bookmarks and cross-reference at a moment's notice.
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Will the bonus for books from the Library of Mourning apply? Or at least while working in Tor Lithanel?
Actually, I'm not sure what this means for our main library since it's located in K8P. Will the project only be able to enjoy the benefits of Kron-Azril-Ungol while working in K8P, or will we be moving books to Tor Lithanel as needed?
 
mathymancer said:
Will the bonus for books from the Library of Mourning apply? Or at least while working in Tor Lithanel?
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For the Waystone Project, yes.

mathymancer said:
Actually, I'm not sure what this means for our main library since it's located in K8P. Will the project only be able to enjoy the benefits of Kron-Azril-Ungol while working in K8P, or will we be moving books to Tor Lithanel as needed?
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Who's going to stop Mathilde from taking whatever books she needs from KAU to wherever she needs them?
 
Boney said:
For the Waystone Project, yes.



Who's going to stop Mathilde from taking whatever books she needs from KAU to wherever she needs them?
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To summarize this whole line of discussion, it sounds like the Library of Mournings gives us the full Eonir book bonus (whether in the form of a +5 or just pure narrative consequences) when we or our crew are looking up information directly germane to the Waystone Project, and that can potentially include restricted topics like "hardcore magical theory", but if we want that tasty mechanical/narrative combo for personal projects or interests, we need to shell out during the purchase round and won't be able to get that for many topics with potential military value (or that are just juicy secrets they keep locked down). Have I understood correctly?
 
picklepikkl said:
To summarize this whole line of discussion, it sounds like the Library of Mournings gives us the full Eonir book bonus (whether in the form of a +5 or just pure narrative consequences) when we or our crew are looking up information directly germane to the Waystone Project, and that can potentially include restricted topics like "hardcore magical theory", but if we want that tasty mechanical/narrative combo for personal projects or interests, we need to shell out during the purchase round and won't be able to get that for many topics with potential military value (or that are just juicy secrets they keep locked down). Have I understood correctly?
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Yes. If Mathilde wants to check a specific thing she'll go to whatever library she needs to like she did with Kalita, but if she wants the bonus then she needs to be able to monopolize the books in question without having to fight off other patrons or withstand glowers from librarians, which means either her own books or working on a project that the authority in charge of the library considers very important.
 
Boney said:
or withstand glowers from librarians
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And not even Kragg has learned the Master Rune of Audacity required to withstand Withering Gaze of that magnitude.

Boney said:
Who's going to stop Mathilde from taking whatever books she needs from KAU to wherever she needs them?
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Hmm. I thought from this passage that it was to be a No (original) Books Removed policy:
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"You would let other-We take your books?" they asks, pedipalps drooping in befuddlement.

"No. They may read the books and take it into their Echo, or pay not-food-gold to have copies made. But the books will remain, and be added to, and only ever grow larger. If anyone seeks to take books that are not copies, they must be defended against."
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So the We will grasp the nuance required? Is that just because Mathilde is the particular, singular only-one other-We who set up this book-nest?
 
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Alliterate said:
Hmm. I thought from this passage that it was to be a No (original) Books Removed policy:

So the We will grasp the nuance required? Is that just because Mathilde is the particular, singular only-one other-We who set up this book-nest?
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Mathilde can be trusted to bring the books back. The same is not true of every random shmuck who wanders in off the street, who even if they don't have larcenous intent could have a hankering for reading ancient and irreplaceable tomes in the bathtub.
 
Boney said:
You are. There are engineers who consider gyrocopters to be dangerously newfangled. A runesmith who would consider them tried and tested enough to even begin developing runes for them would be very radical indeed, let alone one who decided that long enough ago to have usable results of their experimentation. Runes are reliable because of the cultural norms that ensure anything you get has proven itself beyond any doubt at all, and if you start going out of your way to bypass those, you run the very real risk of finding out exactly how runes can go wrong.
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Now I'm really curious. How can Runes go wrong?
 
Boney said:
Mathilde can be trusted to bring the books back. The same is not true of every random shmuck who wanders in off the street, who even if they don't have larcenous intent could have a hankering for reading ancient and irreplaceable tomes in the bathtub.
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I mean, to be fair, now I have a hankering for reading ancient and irreplaceable tomes in my bathtub. And I don't even have a bathtub!
 
Alaric was a genius who had a very solid idea. He had a workable concept, an upgraded Rune of Kingship. He simply decided that the only material capable of handling the power needs was Warpstone, which created undesirable side effects because it's goddamn Warpstone. It's a bit different to the concept of applying Runes to a Gyrocopter when the mechanics of it aren't fully understood and entrenched within the minds of Dwarf Runesmiths.

I would say Alaric's problem was good idea, bad implementation. Applying Runes to a Gyro is more like, very little idea, incredibly uncertain implementation.
 
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