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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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ChronOblivion said:
Lol, I've been wondering about this for a while. Did it happen off camera? Was the primary cost "it's a political favor we owe whoever made it happen"?
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Boney said:
NSMS said:
Hmm. This is a tricky one, no doubt. Thorek coming to power in the Runesmiths would be a good thing overall, but the message I'm getting from him is that he's not going to be careful or gentle about it. And that will have costs, possibly ruinous ones. And Middenheim, I'm not sure on; it's a fairly simple request that seems like it'll have minimal negative knock-on effects, but I suspect it'll require more time (AP) investment beyond this action.

Actually, to head that thought off... @Boney, will either of these actions require further AP investment to complete?
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No. Mathilde is already doing a write-up of Karag Dum this turn, and the Middenheim thing just requires a few words with the right people to lend her influence.
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Say, what sort of plans have we had for Windherding?

I've heard talk of getting new enchanted robes, or donating Windherding enchantments for CF.

Maybe we could also Windherd enchant something that would be useful for Eike? Not right now, of course, but maybe something to keep in mind for the future.
 
LadyLynn said:
Say, what sort of plans have we had for Windherding?

I've heard talk of getting new enchanted robes, or donating Windherding enchantments for CF.

Maybe we could also Windherd enchant something that would be useful for Eike? Not right now, of course, but maybe something to keep in mind for the future.
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I mean useful for what is the question? We do not really know what she is into beyond 'learning' and we do not know what we intend to have her help with really. Without a clear sense of that it's hard to make the judgement call on something as complex as an enchantment.

That said if I had to make a call blind I would say armor, robes of some kind, no matter what your passions are or what your job is if you live in WHF you can never go wrong with being harder to kill.
 
DragonParadox said:
I mean useful for what is the question? We do not really know what she is into beyond 'learning' and we do not know what we intend to have her help with really. Without a clear sense of that it's hard to make the judgement call on something as complex as an enchantment.

That said if I had to make a call blind I would say armor, robes of some kind, no matter what your passions are or what your job is if you live in WHF you can never go wrong with being harder to kill.
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Yeah, I wasn't suggesting we try and come up with some specific windherd enchantment for her now.

I just wanted to bring it up as an idea to keep in mind for the future.
 
ChronOblivion said:
Lol, I've been wondering about this for a while. Did it happen off camera? Was the primary cost "it's a political favor we owe whoever made it happen"?
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More that we're already prepaying that favor with closer ties to Laurelorn and bringing a prominent dawi on side with them to stick yet another thumb in Nordland's Sigmarite eye. We came when requested and have seemingly helped keep a lid on the Ulrican politeish schisming, and represent a diplomatic backchannel that can be used between the mainline church and the Ulrikadrin.


Todbringer Negaverse Quest didn't have to use an AP, and the vote was probably a landslide.
 
Just had a thought—we should windherd the Dammerlichtreiter Thurible before we go bookmining, just in case any of the caves and tunnels have any still active undead in them. Flooding those tunnels with undead repelling mist before going down them will make it a lot safer to explore.
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
Just had a thought—we should windherd the Dammerlichtreiter Thurible before we go bookmining, just in case any of the caves and tunnels have any still active undead in them. Flooding those tunnels with undead repelling mist before going down them will make it a lot safer to explore.
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I'd be down for trying to make it with Egrimm, but can he cast Ward Against Abomination?
 
Mopman43 said:
Ah, thought it was Hysh.

I wish you the best of luck convincing the thread to spend CF when the general desire seemed to be to save it until we've got enough to do Maximum Dunk with the Orbs of Sorcery.
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It would cost five college favour to recruit an appropriate enchanter, which would delay the Grand Dunk by roughly a single turn, and I think that's a worthy trade off—especially since during the siege the Halflings caved in a tunnel full of skeleton warriors that were trying to flank us, and we have no idea if those skeletons are still there or not. I mean, it's possible that the Dhar holding them together has decayed by now, but it's not the sort of risk I'm happy to bet on.

Additionally, if we successfully make it, the following paper may end up paying for it, making the entire process CF neutral.

We could combine it with Hysh's Banish spell, but that would only work on demons unfortunately. There's some neat Gold spells it could work with as well—Curse of Rust, Armour of Lead—but neither Max nor Johann know how to enchant.

Also, now that I'm looking at the spellbooks, I wonder what happens if you windherd Illuminate the Edifice and Pall of Darkness together. It'll probably either not work, or create some sort of weird strobe effect.
 
I already think we are going to have a fight to get a celestial to divine at the book mine. Let alone spend the Cf on a enchanting and than spend AP building said enchantment .
 
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Mellowfellow said:
@Boney Has Wilhelmine or Starke taken any apprentices before?
Also, would it be fair to say that Eike's aptitude and young age puts her as one of the best performing Apprentices in the Grey order percentile wise?
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Wilhelmine has. Eike would be one of the more promising students, but it's not universally agreed that younger is necessarily better. Some prefer Apprentices with more life experience that would be more able to take care of non magical situations by themselves.
 
Something we may wanna spend more AP looking into is elven politics, because this round showed us there's still a lot we don't know.

I think overall the deal we made was a good one, because it reasured elves that they can deal with humans on a slightly equal footing, instead of just being bullied around like us demanding consections might have.

Which could have become a rallying cry for isolationist factions. And with the fact that Dhar may be needed to build waystones, having secured payment for construction, before we know it's possible might let us escape away from a far steeper price.

But, while i think the deal was overall good for us, the fact we didn't know we could demand concessions, and was put on the back foot, shows we still lack a lot of critical information.

And we are still housed in the elven home. This deal might not gone bad, but what about future suprises? I think we need to investigate so we know more about what cards our opponents holds, cause we got bluffed today, and that might have far more dire consequences in the future
 
@Boney What do the actions for exploring Tor Lithanel and the Wards do mechanically that makes them full actions rather than socials? Do they allow us to learn more information about the politics of that area and build connections to certain notable residents that can potentially be called upon later?
 
Boney said:
[ ] Spend time assisting or ingratiating yourself with someone else: specify who and how.
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I wonder if we could do this action with Councillor Isthien, or another member of House TIndomiel, next turn?

Hmm, Sarvoi is a a lecturer, so maybe we could assist by giving a lecture on magic or something, sponsored by House Tindomiel if that's a thing? Maybe dust off our Waaagh! notes—Cadaeth did suggest they'd found our papers interesting, and the topic won't compromise any college secrets either.

@Boney would that be viable?
 
mathymancer said:
I suddenly find myself hoping that Karak Vlag happens to have some books on the Gods of Kislev...
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You know, getting Vlag to let us copy all of their books for the Library might be a pretty good use of their Boon? I imagine an entire hold probably has a whole bunch of books, and it answers the somewhat awkward question of what Vlag can actually do to pay us back when they're currently not in a position to do much of anything beyond re-establishing themselves and being nervous about the open sky.

It's maybe a bit small for a Transcendent Boon, but it's something we can actually ask them for that they can achieve and might not otherwise be willing to and I can't think of anything Transcendent-sized they can even do, except possibly march to war which we won't want to ask of them.
 
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StormySky said:
@Boney What do the actions for exploring Tor Lithanel and the Wards do mechanically that makes them full actions rather than socials? Do they allow us to learn more information about the politics of that area and build connections to certain notable residents that can potentially be called upon later?
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Advances the Diplomacy skill for Laurelorn.

Nerdasaurus Rex said:
I wonder if we could do this action with Councillor Isthien, or another member of House TIndomiel, next turn?

Hmm, Sarvoi is a a lecturer, so maybe we could assist by giving a lecture on magic or something, sponsored by House Tindomiel if that's a thing? Maybe dust off our Waaagh! notes—Cadaeth did suggest they'd found our papers interesting, and the topic won't compromise any college secrets either.

@Boney would that be viable?
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Sure.
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
It would cost five college favour to recruit an appropriate enchanter, which would delay the Grand Dunk by roughly a single turn, and I think that's a worthy trade off.
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We might actually end up net positive on CF for this action. We'll likely not have much use for the item after the book mining - certainly not enough to justify it being a permanent part of our loadout - however I bet both the amathyst college and grey college would be interested in the prorotype. The amethysts would appreciate a new type of anti-undead weapon, and both would probably be fascinated by the multi-wind interactions present if it works as advertised. So we might end up with CF from both the paper, as well as handing over the prototype for study/later use.
 
I expect this is a vote that would potentially break the quest record, if it was more competitive.

Very simple vote, easy to grasp the ramifications on the narrative going forward, will have substantial ramifications on the narrative going forward if You wins.

But you really need a close vote to get that voterbase flowing.
 
Mopman43 said:
I expect this is a vote that would potentially break the quest record, if it was more competitive.

Very simple vote, easy to grasp the ramifications on the narrative going forward, will have substantial ramifications on the narrative going forward if You wins.

But you really need a close vote to get that voterbase flowing.
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If Eike's stat affinity rolls hadn't happened to be precisely what she needed to be a mini-Mathilde, I could see Wilhemine being competitive.

But Ranald smiled and said "Lol. Lmao."
 
Splitting the non-Mathilde options into multiple mutually exclusive options rather than suboptions of a No was the final nail in the coffin for the "I don't want an apprentice" camp.
 
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