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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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StormySky said:
Splitting the non-Mathilde options into multiple mutually exclusive options rather than suboptions of a No was the final nail in the coffin for the "I don't want an apprentice" camp.
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They could just rally behind one of the 3 options if they made an effort to do so. But the Mathilde vote is so overwhelming at this point I'm having a hard time seeing a comeback.
 
StormySky said:
Splitting the non-Mathilde options into multiple mutually exclusive options rather than suboptions of a No was the final nail in the coffin for the "I don't want an apprentice" camp.
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Combining all the non-You options makes for a total of 61 to the current You vote of 169.

I don't think any changes to the vote mechanics would lead to You losing.
 
Thebigpieman said:
They could just rally behind one of the 3 options if they made an effort to do so. But the Mathilde vote is so overwhelming at this point I'm having a hard time seeing a comeback.
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Yeah. Like I said, as effectual as directly swimming against a rip current.

Mopman43 said:
Combining all the non-You options makes for a total of 61 to the current You vote of 169.

I don't think any changes to the vote mechanics would lead to You losing.
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Which is why I said "final nail in the coffin" rather than something like "makes it significantly more difficult".
 
I know it's only phrased like that because the quest is in second person, but it amuses me to think of Mathilde just blurting out "You." in response to the Dean's question, only to have to chase down the cackling Dean before he makes Eike his apprentice, all the while trying to explain that, no, she actually meant to say "Me", but accidentally said "You" because her internal monologue is in second person and can he please slow down and stop laughing?
 
Boney said:
Eike's education

Dice 1: What is she best at?
Dice 2: What does she want to be best at?
Dice 3: What is she having trouble with?

1 - Diplomacy / 2 - Martial / 3 - Stewardship / 4 - Intrigue / 5 - Piety / 6 - Learning
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Now that I think about it, what would being best at Piety mean? Being really good at praying? Gods pay more attention to her for some reason?
 
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NeonLights said:
Which WEBMAT employee do we bring along to the apprentice teaching class?
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I'm not sure we can take that as a WEBMAT action, though I'll admit that the mechanics as written seem to support us being able to.


Of the three, Egrimm makes the most sense.

For very different reasons, I'm not sure Johann or Max would make for very good masters, at least as things currently are.
Nurgle said:
Why would we do that?
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I mean, if we can, we'd be able to possibly take advantage of the WEBMAT bonus action system.
 
Not that it needs argument given how the vote's gone, but the reason I'm voting for You is that I think it's the best choice for Eike.
  • Wilhelmine almost certainly wants to pigeonhole Eike into running the EIC. Even if Eike does take up the EIC, she doesn't need to be exclusively focused on it like Wilhelmine will likely train her into being.
  • Starke... is sus. Not in general, but we have no idea what his reasons for wanting to train Eike are, and it's unlikely to be entirely in Eike's favor.
  • Regimand I could see as a compromise vote. We know he's a good teacher since Mathilde turned out all right even with her ended-too-early apprenticeship. Moreover, Regimand is specialized in Intrigue and Eike's best stat is Intrigue, meaning he's a good match for buffing her biggest strength.
Meanwhile? Well, we know Mathilde: She's going to go the extra mile for Eike as often as she can manage. In addition to taking Eike along on globe-trotting and hanging with magical heavyweights, Mathilde has a very hard time restraining herself from going all-in on whatever she sees as her main focus... es. And as Eike's Master? I know an apprentice isn't supposed to cost much AP at all, but Mathilde will find a way to shove a bunch of extra AP into helping Eike regardless. It's just what she does. (Bonus points for everyone from the Waystone project we can wrangle into giving Eike help. It'll be easy: Eike is cute.)
 
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Nurgle said:
Why would we do that?
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AP efficiency. If you need to engage all three employees on a regular basis, it makes sense to use the extra AP for it.

Mopman43 said:
I'm not sure we can take that as a WEBMAT action, though I'll admit that the mechanics as written seem to support us being able to.


Of the three, Egrimm makes the most sense.

For very different reasons, I'm not sure Johann or Max would make for very good masters, at least as things currently are.

I mean, if we can, we'd be able to possibly take advantage of the WEBMAT bonus action system.
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We took the rituals class with Max with WEBMAT. It worked out, so I'm thinking he could also be an acceptable pick.
 
Unless one of our employees expresses an interest in getting an apprentice I think we can find a better use of WEBMAT actions that attending a class they might never use alongside us.
 
Hydroplatypus said:
Unless one of our employees expresses an interest in getting an apprentice I think we can find a better use of WEBMAT actions that attending a class they might never use alongside us.
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I don't know if the WEB-MAT teaching classes action is possible, but if it is I don't see any reason not to do it.

Why use a regular action to learn to teach, when we can use a WEBMAT action? Less investment, greater benefit. It shouldn't matter if that benefit is minor.
 
Derpmind said:
  • Starke... is sus. Not in general, but we have no idea what his reasons for wanting to train Eike are, and it's unlikely to be entirely in Eike's favor.
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Being a Lord Magister means that Starke's credentials are accounted for just as Wilhemine's are, and there's no evidence whatsoever that Starke is a bad person or anything of the sort, but... yeah, he just kinda rubs me the wrong way.

We don't really know either of them particularly well, but with the choice being what it is, we'll naturally go with the one we know a tiny bit more of and what she would likely teach Eike.
 
Going off of what we do know, Starke is the second youngest Grey LM, and he's noted to be ambitious. Taking a promising talent as his apprentice to build up his reputation and influence seems like a pretty clear motivator to me. It's probably not his only motivator, but we could say the same about pretty much any other Grey because that's the entire point of their schtick.
 
Hmm. Would it be possible to use a WEBMAT action to train Eike in something?

Like, uh, train her in Windsight together with Johann?

Windsight fits Eike's "build" really well, and I think it could make it a lot easier for her to find ways to be useful(an extra set of senses is helpful when we're so involved with esoteric magic stuff for the foreseeable future), and would add an extra boost to the whole "learning through observation" thing that Apprentices are supposed to do.
 
I suspect that wind reading might be something she'll pick up passively over her apprenticeship. Mathilde is routinely doing a lot of things that rely heavily on her exceptional windsight - notably windherding - and if Eike is following us around and trying to help, she'll be constantly trying to push the limits of her windsight anyways. There's no way she doesn't end up with above-average windsight - by journeyman standards at least - by the time she finishes her apprenticeship. I suspect any dedicated Eike actions will be things like teaching her spells, or swording, which there's no way she'll be just picking up on her own.
 
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LadyLynn said:
Hmm. Would it be possible to use a WEBMAT action to train Eike in something?
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That's something I'm wondering about too. This was one of the bits mentioned on the same post as the vote for the Great Deed that was spent on WEB-MAT:

Boney said:
But perhaps most relevant is that a Great Deed could be used to gain permission to open an official Branch of the Colleges of Magic.

The most prominent example is probably the Hochland College of Sorcery, but other examples are the Wizards and Alchemists Guild of the Gold College in Middenheim, the not-actually-ancient-by-any-measure Ancient Library of the Light College in Tubingen, and the Esoterica Wing of the Royal Academy of Talabecland partnered with the Jade and Amber Colleges. They can serve many purposes, from libraries to research institutes to educational facilities to bases of operations. One obvious benefit is that a Wizard operating as the head of an official branch of the Colleges of Magic is an individual that gets treated with more care and respect than a lone Wizard operating as no more than themself. Another benefit is it makes the headquarters of your branch officially part of the Colleges of Magic, giving them various esoteric legal protections, a modest payroll, the option to bring in Senior Apprentices and Perpetuals as staff, and making it possible for them to attract investment from interested parties, such as College leadership or local rulers.
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Would Eike count as a member of WEB-MAT proper? Or is that just saying it's allowed to have her on the sidelines watching stuff?

Edit: Actually, I guess she's graduating to regular Apprentice, right? Senior Apprentice would come later, wouldn't it?
 
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Codex said:
That is exactly what I'm going to do. I'll take the time out of my day to travel to Warhammer just so I can make fun of a middle aged man's lack of a Staff. He clearly doesn't appreciate the comfort of a firm, solid shaft in his hands and I'm willing to teach it to him.
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L + ratio + no staff + didn't ask + can't turn + mediocre enchanter + worship sigmar + not honorary dawi + can't pull mountains from hell + no ranald + parried + no doom mountain + apprentice blocked
 
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