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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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picklepikkl said:
Yeah, though as far as I can tell that was in response to thread thoughts about disseminating our style to others, rather than "can we get a regular-ass sword that could let us practice Rune of the Unknown bullshit without also enabling the Rune of Fuck You In Particular". That's something I can't find a pre-existing answer to, though maybe my search powers have diminished.
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That's true, but I'm guessing that commissioning a sword with just Rune Of The Unknown would if anything be easier than getting a sword that has both the Runes of the Unknown and of Fuck You In Particular.

So I think it's very likely possible, but yeah, it's still useful to know what the actual cost would be, as well as if it would actually help with our training.

...At the very least, it'd certainly be helpful if we one day train someone else in our swordstyle. Mandred, maybe?
 
LadyLynn said:
...At the very least, it'd certainly be helpful if we one day train someone else in our swordstyle. Mandred, maybe?
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I'd say he has a better chance of learning it than Eike, but depending on which college he might end up going to, us specifically teaching him might not be viable.
 
Briefvoice said:
Mathilde seems to have figured out a viable workaround on her own. Lots of disposable training dummies and visualization. What solid benefit would you expect to get from this? A bonus on her next training roll? We had some pretty low rolls this time and still passed, so I'm not too desperate for another 10% bonus.
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just had the idea and wanted to bounce it around, not sure what mechanical benefit it would give but figured it was higer than the dummies, mostly because it would allow her the use of actual training parnerts.
 
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Clearly, Hubert is going to inherit Branulhune. He is the only disciple of Mathilde's to use a Sword after all.

(I'm half joking. Eike could decide she wants to sword depending on her views, but I wouldn't be surprised if Hubert turns out to be the only viable option to wield Branulhune).
 
Codex said:
Clearly, Hubert is going to inherit Branulhune. He is the only disciple of Mathilde's to use a Sword after all.

(I'm half joking. Eike could decide she wants to sword depending on her views, but I wouldn't be surprised if Hubert turns out to be the only viable option to wield Branulhune).
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there is an off chance of mathy getting a second student at some point as well., or adopting a sword duckling. (head of the library knights of Versa?)
 
Also Mathilde is not some ancient crone in a hurry to pass her secret sword technique down before she dies, she got a whole lot of decades in her and that number so far only grow larger instead of smaller due to the Ulgu Marks, and that is without purposeful thread directing it that way.

Whoever she teach her sword style is going to either get his own Rune-Sword or going to go for the majority of his career without Branulhune, so there is going to be a need to commission more of these sword type.
 
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Actually I think Herbert would really take to Mathilde sword style. I mean a flying mage with the ability to attack with a great sword from multiple angles would be incredibly dangerous.
 
To be honest I do not think we have enough of a bond with Hubert to hand him our one of a kind near-runefang. If I had to vote where it should go if Mathilde died tomorrow.... I would probably just leave it to the Grey College to hand out to a worthy mage, though giving it to Roswita to serve as the heir of Stirland's sword could also work.
 
I'd suggest giving it to Mandred, but he already has a rune sword, and it's (allegedly) much more powerful than ours.

Or maybe we could do some sort of sword in the stone type thing with it, and leave it somewhere where it can only be used by someone who is "worthy"—perhaps hide it deep within the Grey College as a secret test for those who want to follow our legacy?
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
(allegedly) much more powerful than ours.
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I don't really think it's "allegedly". The best comparison between a runefang and our sword was when we were telling trees. Our sword did it with great force, cracking the wood and splintering it. While the runefang would have cut it so fine that the tree wouldn't have noticed if you didn't tip the tree over yourself. We do have the negation and vanishing going for us, which are neat tricks, but in a straight clash i think a runefang would cut through ours. Or at least damage it.
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
I'd suggest giving it to Mandred, but he already has a rune sword, and it's (allegedly) much more powerful than ours.

Or maybe we could do some sort of sword in the stone type thing with it, and leave it somewhere where it can only be used by someone who is "worthy"—perhaps hide it deep within the Grey College as a secret test for those who want to follow our legacy?
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'And Whomever pull this sword from the stone be crowned Lord of The Weber Estate.'

Cue a bunch of peasants boys trying to pull the sword out in the yearly event that had been going on for decades, only this time there is a dwarf Runesmith as a passing visitor.

Cue the Runesmith deactivate and reactive the Rune of unknown to get the sword out to see what the whole fuss is about only to get declared the new Lord.
 
Briefvoice said:
Mathilde seems to have figured out a viable workaround on her own. Lots of disposable training dummies and visualization. What solid benefit would you expect to get from this? A bonus on her next training roll? We had some pretty low rolls this time and still passed, so I'm not too desperate for another 10% bonus.
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We "passed" - with a very, very conspicuous note that Mathilde is not happy with the result, and an OOC statement that we can't try again without a new method of training.

The dummy workaround is a bad one, and any martial art that you can't spar with will be severely underdeveloped compared to one that you can. Development of of this sword's specific style should honestly have started with the commissioning of training blades, it's just that important.
 
Tobtorp said:
I don't really think it's "allegedly". The best comparison between a runefang and our sword was when we were telling trees. Our sword did it with great force, cracking the wood and splintering it. While the runefang would have cut it so fine that the tree wouldn't have noticed if you didn't tip the tree over yourself. We do have the negation and vanishing going for us, which are neat tricks, but in a straight clash i think a runefang would cut through ours. Or at least damage it.
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There is a small subset of enemies against whom a Runefang is superior. Specifically the various giant monsters that have meaningful odds of being hit by a cannonball and walking it off.
However there is a different subset of enemies against whom Mathilde's blade is superior. Specifically anything with magical defences or enhancements.
On balance Kragg's masterpiece is more likely to be a better choice than Alaric's mass-produced stuff.

...however, it should be noted that the Runefangs have thousands of years of fame behind them. Thousands of years of being a symbol of rulership to a nation. Thousands of years of representing the alliance between Sigmar's Empire and the Karaz Ankor.
What effect this has is unknown, but potentially significant.

Prime 2.0 said:
We "passed" - with a very, very conspicuous note that Mathilde is not happy with the result, and an OOC statement that we can't try again without a new method of training.
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But also with a new method already presented: Go try it and find out.
I'm expecting an option along the lines of "Hone your sword style against the [Insert Enemies] of the [Insert location]" next turn.
 
picklepikkl said:
Yeah, though as far as I can tell that was in response to thread thoughts about disseminating our style to others, rather than "can we get a regular-ass sword that could let us practice Rune of the Unknown bullshit without also enabling the Rune of Fuck You In Particular". That's something I can't find a pre-existing answer to, though maybe my search powers have diminished.
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We don't actually need a training sword.
A regular runesword with Rune of the Unknown, and a sparring partner in armor is enough, with the Seed covering any accidents.

Our sword hits like a cannonball, and may not leave enough to heal
 
Personally I prefer Branalhune over a Runefang.

Runefangs can cut through anything and are indestructible.

Branalhune can cut through almost anything, is nearly indestructible, and then also kills all magic effects on anyone it hits and has a third rune so versatile we're basing an entire fighting style around it.
 
GrimTheMad said:
Personally I prefer Branalhune over a Runefang.

Runefangs can cut through anything and are indestructible.

Branalhune can cut through almost anything, is nearly indestructible, and then also kills all magic effects on anyone it hits and has a third rune so versatile we're basing an entire fighting style around it.
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Oh absolutely, i like our sword. But disregarding the runefangs is a folly. We are making a sword style around teleporting our sword through blocks, a runefang just ignores the block and keeps going.
 
veekie said:
We don't actually need a training sword.
A regular runesword with Rune of the Unknown, and a sparring partner in armor is enough, with the Seed covering any accidents.

Our sword hits like a cannonball, and may not leave enough to heal
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I mean, that's what everyone means by "training sword" - namely, a sword with just rune of the unknown.

Mind you, I think having at least one other person with a poofing sword who can develop the style alongside us would be neat. The requirements are so esoteric that it's probably never going to be a widespread thing, so I don't mind not being the sole creator of the form.
 
veekie said:
We don't actually need a training sword.
A regular runesword with Rune of the Unknown, and a sparring partner in armor is enough, with the Seed covering any accidents.

Our sword hits like a cannonball, and may not leave enough to heal
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Prime 2.0 said:
I mean, that's what everyone means by "training sword" - namely, a sword with just rune of the unknown.
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Yep, Prime is right, at least for what I was talking about. Not a fake sword, a sword whose purpose would be "for training" rather than a real part of someone's wargear. I assume the dwarves know about edge guards, so you don't even need to blunt it. It's just that Branulhune is completely unsafe while sporting the Master Rune of Kragg.
 
Prime 2.0 said:
I mean, that's what everyone means by "training sword" - namely, a sword with just rune of the unknown.

Mind you, I think having at least one other person with a poofing sword who can develop the style alongside us would be neat. The requirements are so esoteric that it's probably never going to be a widespread thing, so I don't mind not being the sole creator of the form.
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Well yes, but a basic runesword is less apt to produce grumpy runesmith
 
I think getting another sword with Rune of the Unknown would be helpful.

1: Training ourselves: Being able to spar would've been very helpful with training, as was shown in this update.
2: Training someone else in the cool swordstyle: this may or may not happen because we may not have the right person to train, but its far from implausible.
3: Sparring for other reasons: remember when we couldn't get a good spar with... I think it was Boris? At any rate, both our magical weaponry were too overpowered and so we had to hold back too much.

So, the question then is "what is the cost". I don't think we can really evaluate properly whether getting another Sword of the Unknown would be worth it until we know what it would actually cost.

I suspect the cost will be affordable enough to be worth it, though.

...Side note: Are there any restrictions on what we can get from the Library of Mournings atm? Like, can we get books on magical topics from there?

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Ah, found it:
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Book purchase availability:
Empire: Mundane, Divine up to Extensive (via Barak Varr bookseller), Magical (via Colleges of Magic)
Dwarven: Mundane, Divine up to Extensive (via Barak Varr bookseller)
Eonir: Mundane, Divine (via Library of Mournings)
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No magic yet, alas.
 
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LadyLynn said:
...Side note: Are there any restrictions on what we can get from the Library of Mournings atm? Like, can we get Magic books from there?
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Anything militarily relevant is off-limits until Laurelorn-Empire tensions die down. There are also a number of rare books and scrolls we can now access, like those about the Old Ones, but can't make copies of until we get the right scribes. They won't let you just throw any random army of hirelings at it.
 
StormySky said:
Anything militarily relevant is off-limits until Laurelorn-Empire tensions die down. There are also a number of rare books and scrolls we can now access, like those about the Old Ones, but can't make copies of until we get the right scribes. They won't let you just throw any random army of hirelings at it.
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I recall we were dodging around that for the lower classifications because they don't realize its not common knowledge yet.

Loophole probably closing soon since we have outside wizards tromping around now
 
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