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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Wiggy said:
There's a 40k game about techpriests delving into a necron tomb with very xcom gameplay too. It was a pretty decent game, I should go play more of it sometime.
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It's at most half of X-Com, the turn based battle. It doesn't really have the base building. I actually played both of them in parallel recently, and made that particular comparison myself. Though honestly, Mechanicus is not that similar. It's both turn-based tactics, but it has as many differences as similiarities.
 
BurnNote said:
It's at most half of X-Com, the turn based battle. It doesn't really have the base building. I actually played both of them in parallel recently, and made that particular comparison myself. Though honestly, Mechanicus is not that similar. It's both turn-based tactics, but it has as many differences as similiarities.
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It had the research and resourcee management stuff at least? But yeah, the out of combat stuff is certainly different.
 
once again will change my vote to Cython, as I think there is a chance that there are enough dragon main voters mixed into the WE/Local camps that they could overtake if they remove approval for WE/Local.

I just don't think Local has any more momentum, but Dragon might have some fight left in him.

[X] Cython
 
Actually would Cython like it if Mathilde captured a light apparition and let it loose for Cython to hunt. It would maybe be like hunting light, one of Cython's dream goals.
 
Nurgle said:
Actually would Cython like it if Mathilde captured a light apparition and let it loose for Cython to hunt. It would maybe be like hunting light, one of Cython's dream goals.
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That'd require there to be a light apparition.

Here's the list:

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Apparition

Seen only by those with Witchsight, Apparitions, also known as Harbingers, are as real as Daemons and as real as the Dark Gods themselves. Their existence is a window into the very nature of Chaos. Without the existence of Mankind, Chaos would have little power, since Chaos and its minions are...
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Closest thing is the Wisdom Asp, which Mathilde would have a difficult time capturing with Ulgu.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
once again will change my vote to Cython, as I think there is a chance that there are enough dragon main voters mixed into the WE/Local camps that they could overtake if they remove approval for WE/Local.

I just don't think Local has any more momentum, but Dragon might have some fight left in him.

[X] Cython
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Geez, you really don't like the idea of the We winning, huh.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
once again will change my vote to Cython, as I think there is a chance that there are enough dragon main voters mixed into the WE/Local camps that they could overtake if they remove approval for WE/Local.

I just don't think Local has any more momentum, but Dragon might have some fight left in him.

[X] Cython
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Or they could be primary We/Locals voters who approval voted for Cython. Approval votes don't really come with priorities attached unless the voter specifically talks about it.
 
DragonParadox said:
The trouble is I cannot for the life of me think of anyway to make that appealing to a player:

Tzeench is magic and cool mutations
Khorne is... well a war god who helps you fight good
Slaanesh is perfection which can be all manner of things
Nurgle by contrast is both gross in aesthetics and depressing in essence

Like even if one can get past the villain issue I think you could play any other faction in Warhammer easier than the Lord of Decay
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In a world like Warhammer, there's a lot to be said for being really, really hard to kill.
 
It has nothing to do with the recent convos, but I wonder just how different the Eonir dialect of Eltharin is compared to the Eltharin Mathilde already knows. I'm also wondering if taking some of the "Lovely Laurelorn" actions would accelerate the process of learning it.

Illusion of Eris said:
Geez, you really don't like the idea of the We winning, huh.
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I do believe Jyn has said he's an arachnophobe.
 
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Parabola said:
It has nothing to do with the recent convos, but I wonder just how different the Eonir dialect of Eltharin is compared to the Eltharin Mathilde already knows. I'm also wondering if taking some of the "Lovely Laurelorn" actions would accelerate the process.
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Here's the best recent answer I remember seeing on the subject, with my emphasis in bold.
Codex said:
What did you settle on as the primary differences between the Eltharin dialects, specifically Yen-Eltharin and Tar-Eltharin, the Laurelorn vs Ulthuan dialects? And how close is Mathilde to achieving understanding/fluency/proficiency of any level in the dialect? Are there differences in the written script or has it remained unchanged for 4000 years?
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Boney said:
On paper, Mathilde speaks Tar-Eltharin. In reality, Mathilde speaks Teclis-Eltharin plus two centuries of an unknown amount of Grey Order drift. Mathilde speaking Eltharin would probably sound odd to literally everyone but other Grey Wizards. And 'Tar-Eltharin' itself probably doesn't exist - Ulthuan has ten kingdoms, has had eleven Phoenix Kings from six of those kingdoms, and has the Everqueen providing a cultural counterbalance, which would prevent any regional dialect from achieving dominance. The closest thing to a 'pure' Tar-Eltharin would probably be the Lothern dialect: a blend of the Eataine dialect with influences from Avelorn (from the Everqueen) and Caledor, Yvresse, and Saphery (from having supplied eight of the Phoenix Kings). But Teclis is from Cothique. 'His' accent, and therefore Mathilde's, would probably be more familiar to Marienburgers than it would be to Lothernites.

Yen-Eltharin would probably be a lot closer to the Eltharin of the Golden Age than Tar-Eltharin. Laurelorn is very isolationist, has had only four leaders, each of which was raised by their predecessor, and has a very concentrated population, all of which makes for a lot less cultural drift. The only 'foreign' influence would be fragments of Forestborn slang leaking through.

The written script of Eltharin is logographic, and so the original lexicon would be unchanged, but there would have had to be a lot of additions over the years for neologisms. This would probably be the biggest obstacle to communciation between the different Elven populations - for each concept that the original Eltharin didn't cover but has needed covering since then, each of the populations would have had to decide for themselves whether to ignore it, describe it using existing words, or coin a new word and therefore new character for it. The modern Yen-Eltharin lexicon is probably noticeably smaller than any of the other dialects due to their isolationism reducing the amount of new concepts they would have encountered and needed to coin words for over the years.

But despite all that the dialects are all mutually intelligible, and Mathilde would be able to understand and be understood by speakers of any of the dialects. There just seems to be less linguistic drift in the setting than in reality, possibly because of pretty much all the languages having either Old One or Daemonic or both in their bones, and so the words aren't arbitrary sounds that have been assigned meaning pretty much at random, they carry a hint of genuine conceptual resonance that gives the languages more sticking power.
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Lovely Laurelorn actions would probably accelerate adding Yen-Eltharin to our character sheet, but it seems like adding Yen-Eltharin to our character sheet isn't a very big deal, and it's likely we'll get it soon anyway? We learned Khazalid in a couple of years and we didn't even have Polyglot then, so I can't imagine it'll take much longer, especially after we spent two full AP early on in our tenure here tooling around Laurelorn and immersing ourself in the local culture.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by Boney on May 16, 2022 at 1:59 AM, finished with 2671 posts and 379 votes.
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Well, I do like the We, so I can't say I'm massively disappointed. I'm sure things will turn out interesting and amusing, Boney's writing it after all. Only worry I have is having to decipher the We's method of speech. I've always struggled to understand what they mean sometimes. That is part of their charm though.
 
Belegar: "You know Mathilde when I offered that boon I was worried you might ask for something crazy, but this library idea should be easy enough to keep the longbeards from grumbling about."

Mathilde: "Oh it's no problem I've been wanting a library as long as I could remember, speaking of which. What do you think is the best option for librarians, there's Wizards, Myrmadians, Orphans, Spiders, Locals."

Belegar: "Spiders?"

Mathilde: "Spiders it is!"

Belegar: "No wait I-"

But it was too late as Mathilde was already filling the library with spiders.
 
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Depending on how the education of the library-We goes, we might actually get something out of this that can be used when we end up approaching Verenan Lorekeepers. The We feel that an Echo must be perserved at all cost and thus see the loss of knowledge as akin to death, after all. It's not a large leap form that to the library-We feeling that the knowledge of the library must be safeguarded at all cost. And while books can be destroyed pretty easily the entire We need to be killed for their knoweldge to be truly lost, so the argument could be made that sharing their books with the We in particular is a good way to safeguard the knowledge contained within them. The whole 'nest of giant telepathic spiders' might make some balk, but hopefully Verenans will manage to "preserve their judgements from fear".
 
mathymancer said:
Depending on how the education of the library-We goes, we might actually get something out of this that can be used when we end up approaching Verenan Lorekeepers. The We feel that an Echo must be perserved at all cost and thus see the loss of knowledge as akin to death, after all. It's not a large leap form that to the library-We feeling that the knowledge of the library must be safeguarded at all cost. And while books can be destroyed pretty easily the entire We need to be killed for their knoweldge to be truly lost, so the argument could be made that sharing their books with the We in particular is a good way to safeguard the knowledge contained within them. The whole 'nest of giant telepathic spiders' might make some balk, but hopefully Verenans will manage to "preserve their judgements from fear".
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It was mentioned that the we are not going to be echoing the entire library's contents in one seething mass of spider knowledge. They like books because they let them have to memorize less things, same as humans. So no, the we are unlikely to serve as a backup for any destroyed books in the library.
 
Wiggy said:
It was mentioned that the we are not going to be echoing the entire library's contents in one seething mass of spider knowledge. They like books because they let them have to memorize less things, same as humans. So no, the we are unlikely to serve as a backup for any destroyed books in the library.
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They might be persuaded to serve as backup to particularly sensitive ones though.
 
DragonParadox said:
They might be persuaded to serve as backup to particularly sensitive ones though.
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That's an interesting thought. Getting a member of a we to memorise a specific book as a backup could be a subscription service that the library offers. It's like an 8 legged venomous data lake

They're even stored in pods like server racks! ...what a strange world it is that Weber lives in.
 
Wiggy said:
It was mentioned that the we are not going to be echoing the entire library's contents in one seething mass of spider knowledge. They like books because they let them have to memorize less things, same as humans. So no, the we are unlikely to serve as a backup for any destroyed books in the library.
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Alas. Well, there's the idea that they memorize some specific sensetive texts, but aside from that the point on the We considering knowledge imporant still stands. Maybe some Verenans will even attempt a conversion, like that one priestess of Esmerelda?
 
There are worst gods to worship, and she may even be Ranald's daughter.
mathymancer said:
Alas. Well, there's the idea that they memorize some specific sensetive texts, but aside from that the point on the We considering knowledge imporant still stands. Maybe some Verenans will even attempt a conversion, like that one priestess of Esmerelda?
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