Well the fact that we know Erengard is as far as eleven colonization got, the others would just be military outposts to keep the gribbles off, to posit even more elven waystones farther north of that would seem unlikely.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Well the fact that we know Erengard is as far as eleven colonization got, the others would just be military outposts to keep the gribbles off, to posit even more elven waystones farther north of that would seem unlikely.
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Ignorance does nothing to prevent the other magisters from making their own reports. It merely reduces the possibility via obfuscation: If they are focused on other aspects of the project, they may not think of the implications of what they just heard or mention it in their reports. But it is equally possible they still might, given that we cannot make them un-learn what they just heard. Going the Ignorance route, we are constantly in danger of exposure, if any other wizard connects the dots anyway, except then it will be on record we failed to apply for dispensation due to cause of either stupidity or perfidy.
Conspiracy is an extreme option towards the other direction: Applying social manipulation and other methods to get them to agree to not mention anything potentially illegal to our superiors, effectively making everyone in the project guilty of Article 7 violation but this is okay because what happens in Laurelorn stays in Laurelorn and no one will ever tattle, right? Right?
It is handling the situation by the argument that breaking the law carries no consequences if no one knows you are breaking the law.
It would be an understatement that this is not a look that is beneficial to us if it ever comes to light, or one we should wish to cultivate in other wizards even if it doesn't.
I personally don't think so. It wouldn't be a mess caused by our project. It would be a mess caused by a Patriarch due to receiving per-procedure information regarding A Project (that happens to be our project).
Are we the keeper of every senior wizard to us? Are we really responsible for curating the communications and actions between colleges, and what senior wizards choose to do with said knowledge?
The worst we can be accused of is following the procedure and choosing a research topic that turned out to have unfortunate political implications, if we go with the College route.
Or are you thinking Algard will look at a mess and tell us ' Why oh why did you obey the law and procedure. Would have been much easier for you to not keep us, your peers and seniors and superiors, in the loop by instead going directly to the Emperor. Next time, don't tell us any details when you're dealing with illegal research, we don't want to know.'
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But Niedzwenka mentions Kislev City, Praag and Castle Alexandronov in the same breath as she mentions Erengard, right before talking about elves being angry about "their precious stones serving human masters". If you assume that she knows what she's talking about the only reasonable conclusion is that all four of those locations contain elven Waystones.
It could have been the
Or it could have been from the Golds—Feldmann is spending a lot of time in Stirland and Sylvania shepherding battle wizards, and he could have come across some irate watchmen as part of his job.
Mathilde herself suspects that Elrisse wouldn't have been so obvious, unless she was running a double bluff, and the white wind doesn't encourage that sort of thinking:
Personally, I think Elrisse wouldn't have been so obvious—she's an espionage expert in an organisation that hunts chaos cultists. The Jade or Gold
So yeah, I'm strongly inclined to believe that Pan's mother is trying to spy on us.
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I am not saying she does not, there were elven waystones there (without cities), the thing is the Scythians lived even farther north of modern day Kislev and it seems to me unlikely that there would be elves making magic stones in what is now Troll Country and the Wastes.
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Everyone seems so certain that someone is investigating Mathilde, but why exactly? Did I miss something?
Ok, but Troll Country and the Wastes have fallen to Chaos, so we don't really need to explain how they have functioning Waystones - they clearly don't.
Starke told her that another Porter asked about her when he was questioning her about the Wurtbard watch business:
I think Mathilde is overthinking this and it is just Elrisse. I think this wasn't some 4-D chess maneuver to make Mathilde suspect someone else, Elrisse just doesn't think there's any problem in investigating Mathilde before joining her project and wouldn't care all that much if she knew.
Why are you presenting cons for the options, when I never said that we should take them? I well aware that they are bad.
The point was the fact that Mathilde thinks she would be able to do that, which mean she judged Magisters to be approachable enough to talk Conspiracy. In our case we would show them our Dispensation, and ask to be a bit quiter about Dhar production capabilities, while also mentioning that Dragomas is aware.
What I meant was, if said mess interferes with the Project, we will have to clean it in order to proceed. Which makes any substantial mess our problem.
But they used to have functioning Waystones, the wastes were not always where they are now.
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Indeed—in fact, the wastes actually moved a significant distance south just 200 years ago during the Great War. Karag Dum used to be on the borders of the wastes, now Vlag sits on the border.
Maybe I'm missing some lore that didn't come up in the quest, but I don't think there's anything suggesting that there must have been more Waystones because otherwise...what, the Wastes would have fallen faster? Do we know how long the wastes lasted without Waystones? Do we know how long it takes an area to fall to Chaos in the absence of significant events like an Everchosen passing through?
(by the way, Karag Dum is itself a huge Waystone, so it being on the borders of the wastes isn't really evidence for more Waystones in the wastes themselves)
Well, there was at least one Dwarven waystone between Vlag and Dum, because that's where Mathilde blocked the flow, so it stands to reason that if the dwarves can build a chain of waystones all the way up to Dum (but possibly no further), then it's likely that there could be branches going west of the main trunk (probably not east though), or even ones that point south directly into the Kislev ones.
The Scyhians built waystones, their barrows, not the Kislevites, the Scythians before the break. Back then they lived in what is now the Wastes. Therefore they must have built them in the far north where no elf was.
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The Elves never colonised Praag. They only went as far north as Erengrad. You could argue that the Elves made a Waystone there but never colonised the place, but they'd need to protect that Waystone. If there was an outpost there, you'd have to question why Elven ruins aren't present at all in Praag, when they're obvious in most other former Elven settlements and outposts.
I still think Niedzwenka would be correct when using "Elven stones serving human masters" even if only Erengrad and Kislev City were Elven made, and Alexandronov/Praag were Gospodar. It doesn't matter if only half the Stones were Elven, it would still cause outrage.
I still think Niedzwenka would be correct when using "Elven stones serving human masters" even if only Erengrad and Kislev City were Elven made, and Alexandronov/Praag were Gospodar. It doesn't matter if only half the Stones were Elven, it would still cause outrage.
Now I'm wondering if the Fire Spire was constructed by the people of Kislev, or if it was an elven tower that they repurposed and built a city around. I'm not sure if I've seen a source that claims either way.
We should probably add "might be banging the Empress" to this list.
How long did they live in the Wastes, though? How long do places take to fall the Chaos when they lack Waystones? The Wastes did eventually fall to Chaos, for all we know their kurgans merely postponed the inevitable.
I just don't think the evidence we have suggests that Scythians built Waystone equivalents and not just tributaries. We know next to nothing about kurgans, we literally just learned of them and Mathilde mentioned them as tributaries. It's not impossible that the Scythians also built Waystones or that kurgans are Waystones but I have no idea why you seem to think it's obviously the case when we have next to no information.
They lived in what is now the Wastes for millennia, though they were not the wastes then since that is not a geographic place, it is the condition of being too flooded with winds.
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Nah, the Fire Spire was built by Rudolf II. It's possible there was some structure on the site before, but the tower itself is not Elven.
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I know it is early, but out of all the stuff in there what do you guys think we should investigate first?
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Waystone gold, so we have a reason to involve the golden order/boys
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Try to 'fully' map out and check the conditions of network of the old world?,
with a copter and a bunch of wizards we can drop off everywhere we might not get every tributary or remote Waystone in a deadly forest, but we can at least figure out all the main bits and were is in the most need of work, were is closest to total failure. And were the 'points of failure are(Or where we can get away with taking one to pull apart with the least damage.)
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