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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Nerdasaurus Rex said:
'Skip your immediate superior and go to the Emperor' is one of the big selling points of having an Emperor for most nobles.
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"Feudalism is an inherently corrupt system, therefore we should be corrupt" is a stupid fucking argument, especially when we come from an organisation established to fight corruption.
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I don't see how that's corruption?

Consider the difference between a company that offers same-day instead of three-day shipping if you pay a little more, and a cop/judge offering to push your case to the head of the line if you bribe him. Both are offering accelerated processing in exchange for money, but only the second one is corruption. The first is a legal and common process, while the second is illegal.

In Sigmar's Empire, appealing to the Emperor is a legal and common process.
 
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Just as a plea to everyone:

Information security is important. We know the chaos gods have it out for us personally, and this project would *really* rile them up if discovered, so keeping the information about it to as small a group as possible is our best first line of defense.

Heck, I can see the probable success of this project as the reason the next everchosen gets selected, just to shut it down before implementation.
 
Glau said:
Information security is important. We know the chaos gods have it out for us personally, and this project would *really* rile them up if discovered, so keeping the information about it to as small a group as possible is our best first line of defense.
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It's too late for that, Kairos Fateweaver probably already knows all the possible outcomes of the Project and all our dirty secrets.
 
Glau said:
Just as a plea to everyone:

Information security is important. We know the chaos gods have it out for us personally, and this project would *really* rile them up if discovered, so keeping the information about it to as small a group as possible is our best first line of defense.

Heck, I can see the probable success of this project as the reason the next everchosen gets selected, just to shut it down before implementation.
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This vote isn't really about that though? It's about whener or not we share the fact that the waystone project is gonna to have to study Dhar through the offical channels or try and use the emperor to by-pass it.

The Project itself isn't gonna be more or less hidden whener or not we use the Imperial or College vote. Everyone that would be informed of this, would allready know of the project as it stands. We'd be sharing no more information about the project from this.

If the idea is about not letting chaos know about this, the best vote would be to ascind to the laws fully and stop the project full-stop. Whatever vote of imperial or College we choose, it wouldn't ruin the infomration secret of the project itself
 
Ok so it looks like
-Talk to Supreme Patriarch about waystone gold
-Talk to Queen about waystone gold
-Talk to someone about disposition to study dhar for waystones.
-Learn High Nehekharan
- Study waystone gold
- Investigate ley lines across the continent
- Find out why Bugman use magic to create beer
- use said knowledge to get discount for said beer
- Unknow amount of horse trading ( making deals with politicians) with Kingdoms
 
Glau said:
Just as a plea to everyone:

Information security is important. We know the chaos gods have it out for us personally, and this project would *really* rile them up if discovered, so keeping the information about it to as small a group as possible is our best first line of defense.

Heck, I can see the probable success of this project as the reason the next everchosen gets selected, just to shut it down before implementation.
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If chaos cults have enough power to do that, then whether we go through Dragomas or the Emperor is meaningless. The only difference is that if we go to the emperor, the only people who know are ourselves, the project members, Lutiplod and Dragomas. Doing it the official way adds Algard, Pannaroth, Feldman and Alric (and maybe Mira) to that list. If any of them are leaking secrets to chaos—willingly or not—then we have bigger problems already. Especially as we've made no secret of the Waystone thing at all. The College-Eonir research project is a lynchpin of the Empire-Laurelorn alliance, and that is public information and a thing chaos wants to disrupt and destroy anyway.

Subverting an official process out of fear of chaos is the opposite of what we should be doing, especially as it does not provide any significant additional security to the project.
 
[X] College Dispensation

While i do not like Alric eventually learning about the project and possibly trying to muscle in.
I do feel that people arevastly over estimating the ability of an old patriarch who is already disliked and actually running his college only part time to force himself into the project, he has very limited amount of strings to pull here compared to us.
And while my general attitude toweards infosec is maximum paranoia, i am also paranoid of people being able to note how we did not do things the "proper" way and instead used our connections to get a dispensation to study dhar, which does balance my infosec issues by a lot.
 
Glau said:
Just as a plea to everyone:

Information security is important. We know the chaos gods have it out for us personally, and this project would *really* rile them up if discovered, so keeping the information about it to as small a group as possible is our best first line of defense.

Heck, I can see the probable success of this project as the reason the next everchosen gets selected, just to shut it down before implementation.
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The Chaos Gods, as in the blobs of warp-stuff so vast they are barely able to act, madness incarnate in four different forms already know I would say, they are present in too many places and see though too many eyes, the past the present and the future is theirs to see and they war over it. The thing is they are not what you would call reliable in handing that information to those who can act on it because of said insanity. I think it is thus more of a question of keeping it out of the eyes of traitors, be it of the chaotic or necromantic persuasions.
 
[x] Imperial Dispensation
[X] College Dispensation

I suspect this is not helpful, but I'm fine with either.

Though it would be ideal if Alric got kicked out before we did so. Ah well.
 
You know, giving the information we just received about the Kislev ice vortex I am starting to suspect that the Ice Witches animosity toward the Fire spire at Praag lays beyond mere male magic users. And also might explain how chaos managed to make the fire spire explode is such a spectacular fashion. It was quite literally a vortex to magic which has possibly been tampered with by radical new traditions.

The fire spire was quite possibly meddling in their ice vortex, I guess they got a taste of how the elves felt when they came upon Kislev after their long absence.

Is all this Boney-canon or was there hint of the Ice witches coopeting the Waystone network in official canon?
 
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Mopman43 said:
The book Grudgelore also talks about the other Ancestor Gods and them being the children of the main three.

(The main difference Grudgelore has to 1st edition Stone and Steel is that it only says Valaya is married to Grungni, rather than both Grungni and Grimnir)
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Grudgelore is written explicitly as an IC book, and so gets some stuff wrong deliberately I think.

Boney said:
It was the library of Caledor Dragontamer, located in Anlec, rather than the library of the Kingdom of Caledor.
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Why would Caledor's library be in Anlec? He wasn't from there, and I can't see him leaving it to be pawed over by Morathi after he left Aenarion's court.

Nerdasaurus Rex said:
Bugman's Best doesn't exist anymore. His brewery was burnt down by goblins and he became a ranger to hunt them down and destroy them.
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The beer still exists, it's just not being produced any more, so it's rare and expensive. Also, Bugman's Best isn't the only variety of beer he produced.
 
[X] College Dispensation

Proper channels and sticking with the same guy who is already fully in the loop about everything is more important than trying to finagle our way around Alric.
 
At this early, fragile moment, I do not believe we can afford to become the subject of deep and widespread scrutiny.

We have people recruited that need to be protected from political harm, and we have more to woo that we need to show that we're capable of it. But I can't accept letting the project rest on a house of cards, either, not with Nordland seething right outside its borders.

[X] Imperial Dispensation
 
[X] Imperial Dispensation
Seek dispensation from Article 7 directly from the Emperor for the study of the Waystones.

[X] Conspiracy
When there's no Witch Hunters around, anything's legal. Attempt to enter into an understanding with your fellow Wizards that what happens in Laurelorn, stays in Laurelorn.
 
Man, Mathilde just continues to be the perfectly placed person for this project. Our Dhar Insight will be even more useful than we thought.

Also it's going to be really interesting to see how these investigations take place. We seem to have a basic blueprint, and mostly just need to figure out how to make the materials necessary, then where to put them. That's already more than most people have ever gotten.
 
Nurgle said:
-help Bugman get revenge to get him to recreate Bugman to get the discount
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Good luck. "Kill every greenskin, no I mean it, all of them" is somethign I think is actually impossible.

Mopman43 said:
Eh, I feel like GW wanted to 'sanitize' the relationship in later material and move away from the polyandry.

Thought it's not like there's a ton of later sources either way.
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Possibly, but I'm not sure. I feel like it did come up in later sources than Grudgelore, which was from around the end of 7th edition, rather than like, 8th. Still, Gav Thorpe is a good enough writer that I wouldn't put "I was writing this IC, so made bits of it wrong" past him.

Boney said:
Being trapped forever within the Great Vortex didn't give him a lot of say in what happened to his books.
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I mean, sure, but he left Nagarythe before that. Aenarion and he reconciled when Aenarion literally turned up at the last possible second to prevent daemons overwhelming the defences on the Isle of the Dead, thus allowing Caledor to create the Vortex and trap himself.
 
Sa'kage said:
This vote isn't really about that though? It's about whener or not we share the fact that the waystone project is gonna to have to study Dhar through the offical channels or try and use the emperor to by-pass it.
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It is though. Either two people know, Heidi and the Emperor, or a bunch of people do: all the patriarchs in the loop, plus memos, records, any agents they decide to share with, and archives.

Plus, we are taking about the elves too, not just chaos.

Its a bit frustrating that the main two objections to trying to keep a secret project secret are "oh, our enemies already know everything anyways" or "we don't have to worry about the secret getting out because it won't" at the same time. I'm working under the assumption that while the fateweaver may know, the rest of chaos doesn't, and their servants need to get the information from somewhere.

So not sharing is just a basic, simple precaution against TWO known threats.
 
Boney said:
Whatever made the Ancestor Gods the Ancestor Gods, he turned it down to stay with the Karaz Ankor. Also things are a bit murky since on his deathbed he swore an oath to his BFF, a little-known Elvish fellow by the name of Malekith, that if the Karaz Ankor was ever, like, seriously super betrayed by someone it super trusted, like, say, you, my super BFF Malekith, I'll come back and murder enemies of Dwarves forever with my magical axe. And now there's this guy wandering around the place murdering enemies of Dwarves forever with a magical axe, so... yeah.
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You know, it's really surprising GW has never released a campaign module where the Dawi send an invasion fleet to Naggarond and run into an Orc rebellion, a Tomb King armada looking for their gold, Chaos raiders looking for blood, studious Lizardmen following a prophecy and some High Elves just peeking over the walls of Arnheim at all this nonsense.
 
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