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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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[X] [HEDGEWISE] Discreetly
[X][HOUSE] Yes


[x] Plan how many people can actually read elf anyways?
[X] Plan Discretion Is The Watchword

[X] Plan If We Win We've Already Won: Influence/Investigation

Revoting to add a vote for plan if we win
 
picklepikkl said:
This is our disagreement. I don't think this is right. The point of discreet is that it is actually, truly, dedicated to a non-Hekarti god. The fact that they are picking a god that they think is actually Hekarti is why this option is more appealing to them than Secular; the fact that they aren't directly dedicating it to Hekarti is why it is less appealing to them than Dedication. It's a middle ground option.

As you can see, the top option is an outright shrine to Hekarti, the second is a hidden dedication to her, the third is "dedication to an accepted and legal God of the Old World Pantheon," and the fourth is no dedication. There's a clear progression from most to least dedication to Hekarti going on, so I don't think your read of Discreet being "it's dedicated to Hekarti, it just looks like it isn't" is justified by the text: that's the second option, not the third.
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My read of it justified by WoG that I alread quoted bu here;
LadyLynn said:
On another note, I'm not sure I quite understand the "Discreet" option? My reading of the description of the "Discreet" option would make them, well, not dedicated to Hekarti. So why would they be any more interested in that than Secular?
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Boney said:
The implication is that Hekarti's already worshipped by another name as an accepted God or Goddess of the Empire.
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Discreet still dedicates it to Hekarti. It is in the name. The option that doesn't have any dedication to hekarti is Secular only. If you don't believe me We should ask @Boney because I believe either you or I, seem to missunderstand the option and it is easy to do so.
 
Boney said:
I don't understand the precise hair that's being split here. What's the point of contention?
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"Is Discreet an actual dedication to a god who is not outwardly known as Hekarti, or is a dedication to Hekarti made to look like dedication to another god?"

I recognize that from Tindomiel's perspective this is the same thing, which is the reason they like it better than Secular. The question is about other people's perspective: is this an actual dedication to Accepted God X?
 
[x] Plan All in, but discreet
[x] Plan how many people can actually read elf anyways?

[X] [HEDGEWISE] Openly
 
Okay so like who the fuck is Hekarti in human lands then. Shit.

Any gurus who like to chime in? I will go wiki diving but I have feeling answer will be obscure and probably not there.
 
Tasoli said:
Okay so like who the fuck is Hekarti in human lands then. Shit.

Any gurus who like to chime in? I will go wiki diving but I have feeling answer will be obscure and probably not there.
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I think whatever god it is will be a bit of a departure.

Like, I don't think there's going to be a Ekartihay, 6-limbed goddess of magic that's a local goddess in lower Middenland, you know?
 
Mopman43 said:
I think whatever god it is will be a bit of a departure.

Like, I don't think there's going to be a Ekartihay, 6-limbed goddess of magic that's a local goddess in lower Middenland, you know?
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Her twin is right there as Vylmar tou. So we should be able to make guesses. I mean surely it won't turn out to be Verena?
 
Tasoli said:
Her twin is right there as Vylmar tou. So we should be able to make guesses. I mean surely it won't turn out to be Verena?
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There's a couple goddesses of Beauty in the Empire. There are no goddesses or gods of magic, which is the only direct association I see for Hekarti.

Well, that and hydras, but I don't think the Empire has a goddess of hydras listed anywhere either.
 
Mopman43 said:
There's a couple goddesses of Beauty in the Empire. There are no goddesses or gods of magic, which is the only direct association I see for Hekarti.

Well, that and hydras, but I don't think the Empire has a goddess of hydras listed anywhere either.
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Any godeesses of crossroads? I mean she is inspire by Hecate so that might be one thread to pull.
 
Tasoli said:
Okay so like who the fuck is Hekarti in human lands then. Shit.

Any gurus who like to chime in? I will go wiki diving but I have feeling answer will be obscure and probably not there.
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Could be anyone. Hoeth, God of Wisdom is Verena, Goddess of Justice, Morai-heg, Goddess of Fate, is Morr, God of Prophecy, Atharti, Goddess of Pleasure, is Vylmar, God of Drunkenness.

Maybe Hekarti is Sheirrich The Lost Wind, minor God of Wind?
 
Wait a minute;

What about Halêtha? We know she is patron of hedgefolk (ie.witchcraft) and has an unknown twin?

Shit that would make so much sense.
 
IronFist said:
If she was Haletha, we'd have benefited from the Father.
I don't think we did.
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Mopman43 said:
If that was the case, then the Father coin would have activated.
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Nerdasaurus Rex said:
Yeah, except it doesn't appear the Father coin did anything with the Tindomiel priest.

God dammit eshined by my need to spell check again. I didn't even get to post before I got beaten to the punch.
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I will point out for a second time that Tindomiel picking a god of the Old World that they think is Hekarti does not mean they are right. They could confidently pick Halétha and be wrong, and it's not like we would be in any hurry to correct them (since a dedication to one of Ranald's daughters is actually something we'd be totally on board with).

...honestly, that kind of makes me want to shill harder for my Discretion is the Watchword plan, on the grounds of how funny it would be if they pick Halétha and then we have to keep a straight face.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
If most of the empire understand how important the waystone are? then yes.

But most of the empire doesn't really get magic stuff, so I dought it.

A 'transcendent deed' needs to be something that's understandable by everyone involved.

e.g: duelling and defeating an everchosen in front of the gates of kislev, figuring out how to make more steamtanks, lifitng a city out of danger, creating a magical highway that everyone can use (some sort of 'weber-way'), kicking Nagah in his rotting balls etc etc.
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I don't think most of the Empire needs to understand it. Just 2/3rds of the Electors. 10 people.
Boney said:
If they understood the inner workings of Waystones well enough to sneakily modify them to siphon off magic to Hekarti or whatever, the Project wouldn't be needed in the first place, they could be pumping them out themselves. But if it turns out that the research the Project performs says that dedicating the Waystones to a God will change the workings of them for the worse, that is absolutely grounds to renegotiate the original deal.
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Okay. Thank you. This, plus the fact that Mathilde probably has better Windsight than quite a few Elf mages and a bit of extra vision into the divine spectrum due to Avatar makes me confident that we can handle any of the issues I am being paranoid about. I'll switch my vote to [House] Yes. I'm still against promising them anything more than the Empire though.
mathymancer said:
[X] Plan Political Leverage
-[X] [SCOPE] The Empire (+2)
-[x] [REP] Heir (-1)
-[X] [FORM] Discreet (-1)
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This plan already exists.
[] Plan Middle Ground
-[] [SCOPE] The Empire (+2)
-[] [REP] Heir (-1)
-[] [FORM] Discreet (-1)
 
Hmmm, thinking about it. Plan "how many people can actually read elf anyway." Is pretty apt. How many people actually can read elf. We know that the grey's only learn it for Chipher and that the other orders wouldn't know it. Some Marienburger s would know it because elf and middenland is probably learning a bit but there can't be too many people that can read eltharin.
 
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