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I'm against that from an ethical standpoint. And it could potentially cause problems for us if someone gets words of it, for example after an attempted thief gets caught.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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That is not how I read the option.
"depending on what is sought" implies that there is active seeking going on. The way I read this option is "we can get Ranald-worshippers to steal specific topics of book for us, ones we can't purchase legitimately." Does not seem worth it compared to trying to make our library one people want to do business with on the up-and-up.
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It's... distantly possible, that the Cult of Ranald might be able to get or find obscure books that big libraries don't have without stealing them, but I agree, let's not resort to that just yet.
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As an aside, I finally purchased Lord of the Rings in book form and began reading The Fellowship of the Ring. I have to say, I did not expect to read page after page about Hobbit history and culture before the story even starts. I'm starting to understand where the stuff about Halflings in WHF and other settings came from. WHF seems to have copypasted the Hobbits from Lord of the Rings and all they did was add racial tensions. Classy.
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I must admit that I skipped most of that when I first read it (I was 14 at the time tho). It's only when I reread it a few years later that I really appreciated that part, as well as the worldbuilding in general.
What are your impressions so far?🙃
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It felt like I was listening to the ramblings of an old history professor who's very passionate about the subject he's speaking about.
I haven't even gotten to the first chapter. I'm more of a narrative person who enjoys worldbuilding being weaved into a story, but I don't exactly dislike a prologue clarifying that kind of stuff so I can understand things more clearly when I begin reading. It was nice to learn all the stuff the movie doesn't exactly stop to tell you about though.
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Remember, this isn't a modern day library. Back then, lending out books was barely a thing, because books where expensive and valuable in more than one way. They'd sometimes even chain them to a reading stand.
We wouldn't be giving them out, We would be allowing other people access to it, which they already understand since K8P is already doing the same for the We.
We might be thoroughly weirded out by all those people being willing to leave the books behind, but that's another story.
If a book disappears from someones collection, and a copy of that book shows up at K8P, that can only happen so many times till theres suspicions. This isn't the era of print, copies are very limited.
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Nevermind. After some research, I've learnt two facts.
The first is that Mathilde uses color coded bookmarks:
The first is that Mathilde uses color coded bookmarks:
The second is that Alexandra Kohler dogears her books:
Boney clearly understands the importance of characterisation in the little things.
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As the update itself said, the Verenans aren't a monolith. Getting in with one group of Verenans doesn't get us in with the other, so I'm not sure where the idea came from that pleasing the Scrollbearers would automatically get us in with the Lorekeepers.
Dwarves believe in continuously adding fortifications to something that has "enough" fortifications, which is why Mathilde didn't lose face when she added more defences to the Eye of Gazul even after she deemed it as having "enough" defences. The dwarven reaction to attaching a chapter of knights to the library would be "Oh sweet, more warriors added to the library's defences".
this is also a time when writing and drawing in the margins was not only ok, but encouraged with extra-large margins.
also, memes aside, I don't think the Old world is ready for spider librarians. (I sure as hell would not be able to go in if I knew a building was filled with giant spiders.)
Boney might let us do it, But that will defiantly be 'shooting our own foot' when it comes to developing the library.
maybe in the future, when we are a bit more recognised in K8Ps, but not now.
Boney might let us do it, But that will defiantly be 'shooting our own foot' when it comes to developing the library.
maybe in the future, when we are a bit more recognised in K8Ps, but not now.
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By the way, I'm not sure if anyone pointed this out. But the latest update's title is "Built on a Shadow". I just got hit with a sudden bolt of understanding of what it means.
I think the idea behind is that the Waystone Project, in its current state, is built on a shadow. No solid results or foundations built, but we have all these factions that have become invested in it.
I think the idea behind is that the Waystone Project, in its current state, is built on a shadow. No solid results or foundations built, but we have all these factions that have become invested in it.
It would also mean relocating the entire hive into the library, and could disrupt the silk industry in K8P as well.
It goes deeper when you consider that everyone involved has placed their trust in Mathilde, a shadow wizard, who has nothing of substance to actually contribute. The whole project is ephemeral—we have nothing but faith and promises and lies so far.
Built upon a shadow indeed.
I still think this first arc should have been called 'Stone Soup'.
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Maybe if Mathilde was from Ostland.
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I missed this earlier. Rafin, you really shouldn't have this as a red line. The construction, maintenance, and funding of the library is what we decided to get for our Transcendent Boon. Adding to the maintenance cost with more security is 100% acceptable. Also, the library is absolutely ginormous, so the knights' upkeep will be a drop in the bucket, to say nothing of the great amount of other martial forces effortlessly maintained by the karak. Finally, Boney's described Belegar's wealth as being "three kinds of infinite money" (two if you discount the We silk), which is why the thread had no qualms with commissioning a super library he'll pay for forever.
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I do not think we want knights of the Scroll, not because we do not agree with them personally but because they would cool the interest of the very people who would have the most interesting books. Say for instance you are the Cult of Mor and you would like to keep the Big Book of Human Souls (not for eating or enslaving) in a safe place like a dwarf hold, but you do not really want random people to poke it and should he hold fall you would rather it be destroyed than captured.
The same goes for any secret or dangerous lore when the Book Preservation Zealots are on the case and willing to stab over preserving it (even in an unsafe way)
The same goes for any secret or dangerous lore when the Book Preservation Zealots are on the case and willing to stab over preserving it (even in an unsafe way)
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The primary purpose of the library is to be accessible and useful, not to collect the rarest books. Our first partner wasn't the Genealogical Library for nothing. If it's an exclusive choice between the vast quantity of literature kept by the Lorekeepers or a single tome of the singularly least read secrets of the Cult of Morr, why would we ever choose the latter?
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Hold on, I think I misread. At first I thought you were pointing out the baseless fears that some priests of the Cult of Morr might have, but now I think you might hold onto those fears yourself.
DP, I assure you, if the Cult of Morr gives us the Big Book of Human Souls, having a chapter of Knights of the Scroll will not mean that every random person who wants to will be able to poke it. We have a restricted section and the Cult of Verena very strongly believes in restricted sections. Even the Lorekeepers don't believe that ALL knowledge should be disseminated. Sealing away certain books forever is something they do.
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The Cult of Verena find the preservation of books important, but they don't think the reading of books is as important as preserving them. They aren't going to start poking books that we keep in storage out of curiosity. Their job is to protect them from being destroyed. If the Cult of Morr decide to keep a book in our vaults, that is entirely in line with their job, which is to keep the book safe. If the Cult of Morr decide later on that the book should be burnt after storing it in our vaults, that's what they'd take issue with.
The Cult of Verena has experience with forbidden books like the Chromatic Tome according to Boney. They full well realise that reading books can be very dangerous. They just want to preserve them regardless, not read them.
The Cult of Verena has experience with forbidden books like the Chromatic Tome according to Boney. They full well realise that reading books can be very dangerous. They just want to preserve them regardless, not read them.
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I feel like many of the critiques that can be levied at the Cult of Verena's fixation on knowledge preservation become significantly weaker when it comes to a library that is sitting snugly in a Dwarfhold.
Also, I feel like our goals with the Library are really well aligned with the goals of the Lorekeepers as they have been described to us, so I feel like working with them could work out very well and potentially make some friends.
Also, I feel like our goals with the Library are really well aligned with the goals of the Lorekeepers as they have been described to us, so I feel like working with them could work out very well and potentially make some friends.
there is also the fact that, currently, Bro-king has more money than fighters to guard his mountains.
If a knight chapter house (50-1000?, I actually don't remember what the numbers average), as in professional fighters, want to live in one of his empty mountains, he will be happy to pay that check, even if the chances of them getting to tiffs with some dwarf orders in the potential future was laid out for him.
the dude needs bodies, and already has a Gotri. He would pay for their logging even without the library if they wanted to set up there.
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The thing about Imperial knightly orders and the Imperium's space marine chapters is that they're exactly the same in all regards. Since space marine chapters number 1000, we can be certain that we'd be getting 1000 Knights of the Scroll. Trust me bro.
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The numbers of a Knight Chapterhouse can greatly differ. We have a skewed view on them because the Knights we're acquainted with ride monstrous mounts, like Giant Wolves and Demigryphs. Those Knightly Orders have 250 knights total, in which 50 of them form one wing or something like that.
In the K8P Expedition, these were the numbers:
500 footmen for the Demigryph orders, and for the Winter Wolves, 2000 knights alongside the 250 wolf riders. That was the entirety of the Winter Wolves, since they were migrating.
Knightly Order numbers can also change based on the prominence of the Orders. The Knights of the Scroll are a pretty obscure order, so I imagine their numbers would be pretty low. Not many people dedicate themselves as a Knight to protect books and scrolls.
...ahhhh, I think it could get to that many, as the Library gets bigger and gets more and more books (and other stuff, library store other things too.) but I think it would be a lot smaller contingents to start with. (10-25)