That's mainly because we killed them before they could use their fancy magic weapons against us.
The "sparks and shimmers" line makes me think it might be an Azyr enchantment of some sort.
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That's mainly because we killed them before they could use their fancy magic weapons against us.
The "sparks and shimmers" line makes me think it might be an Azyr enchantment of some sort.
Mopman43
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The Eltharin shouldn't be an issue, Mathilde is fluent.
The issue would be the Lizardmen rubbings.
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I've listed five big dwarven sources of books here. The Karaz-a-Karak Archives were in one of the updates and had Mathilde spending multiple entire paragraphs musing about how the dwarves were so much better at retaining knowledge through books than the Empire. Plus, you know, take a look at all the Dwarven books in our library here. That's some very obvious indication that dwarves are in fact believers in books, to say nothing of the easy experience they had constructing our library. As for Valaya herself, she was placed up there as a knowledge god alongside Verena, Hoeth, and Quinsberry in this update.
It isn't 350 gc. Verena's worshipped in Bretonnia so it's Imperial Verena for 100 gc and Bretonnian Verena for another 100 gc, and adding onto the Hoeth books it's a total of 450 gc, 550 gc if you include the Valaya books. The cost goes up if there are Imperial Valaya books or if the Colleges have high elf books on Hoeth.
And yeah, I never struggled on whether we should get the Colleges books, just when. Though honestly, at this point, I think the gold savings may outweigh the CF savings. We've got a good CF income through our papers and we rarely spend CF, while our gold income is modest and we spend it every turn.
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I don't doubt there are some Verenan worshippers, but Bretonnia is probably one of the worst places for Verena. The majority of the nation is illiterate peasants and almost everyone who reads has a private library and private tutoring.
Bretonnia isn't exactly the land of academies and libraries.
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I'm not sure that's very distinct from the Empire. Isn't most of it also illiterate, and largely populated by peasants? I recall setting up a literacy school for the Stirland army retirees we hired for our information network.
It's still a much higher percentage then bretonnia. The Empire actually has social mobility, as in you can better yourself, it's hard and mostly unfair but it's absolutely possible. Bretonnia doesn't.
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It's a matter of degrees. It should also be kept in mind that Stirland is the often consdired one of the most rural and backwards provinces in the Empire.
The Empire also has a lot of illiterate peasants, but it has more social mobility and a more significant middle class, as well as a more significant urban presence. I've recorded how many academies and libraries are present in the sources I read, and Kislev has more educational establishments than Bretonnia, which is saying something. The Empire not only has those academies and libraries, they also have actual bonafide newspapers. Not just one, two or three agencies, but several spread across the major cities, and apparently enough people buy those newspapers for it to be a profitable enterprise.
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Knights of the Grail does say that Bretonnia has only a few scholars, but in Divided Loyalties, it evidently has enough scholars to have Extensive and Esoteric on many subjects even though we don't have access to them yet. As for Verena herself, she has a temple in Bordeleaux and I doubt that'd be the only one. I think we can expect at least Extensive books on her from Bretonnia.
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I'd expect many nobles to double as scholars. Sure, their official occupation is Knight Variety X but if they want to spend their off time in their private library writing books on gong farming who's gonna stop them.
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You inspired me to look through the book firsthand. I suppose this Temple from Page 60 of Knights of the Grail can suffice:
"Turris Vigilans is a temple of Verena that stands on an isolated headland in the north of the dukedom (Bordelaux). It serves as a lighthouse and has a reputation of one of the most reliable in the world. Its primary purpose, however, is to keep a watch on Mousillon. The priests of the temple are rumoured to use powerful magic, granted by their Goddess, to scry on the whole of the cursed dukedom. They refuse to say what they are looking for or what they will do if they find it. The priests are similarly insistent that they must not enter Mousillon personally.
Prophetesses of the Lady and the Fay Enchantress herself have been known to visit Turris Vigilans, but the purpose of the visits remains a secret. It is widely known that the priests offer advice to those who seek their counsel, and that the advice is very good. Anyone purchasing one of their many books gets an automatic hearing; others put their names into a lottery, which the clergy draws from every day. The priests sometimes offer unsolicited advice, as well, particularly advice that recommends that adventurers should venture into Mousillon."
It's a fairly specialised temple it seems, but it's probably good enough for our purposes.
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I thought you already saw it before you made your post. I didn't realise you asked for it and didn't get a response. Must have been absent for that. Glad you're benefitting from it.
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Hmm, looking at this it says this:
I suspect that some elements of that library are likely to be under Drakenhof. Vlad did loot the city after all.
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Oh yeah, checking Shades of Empire, this might prove amusing. This is why newspapers are able to survive in big cities:
"Even the most optimistic estimates put the literacy rate of the city of Altdorf at less than 20%, and the number who can read is far greater than those who find any use in the activity beyond deciphering simple messages. So all the broadsheets of Altdorf are competing for a tiny market indeed. However, each of these broadsheets can also have a far greater audience than just its customers: It is common practice for anyone who can read to do so aloud with his friends when new information is at hand. Since printed news is still an amazing novelty, every issue tends to be read aloud many times. Some are even read on street corners by buskers, asking a few clanks to cover the cost of their purchase. What's set the Tail apart so greatly is the performances it has inspired and cartoons it includes, which have, for the first time, allowed a broadsheet's content to reach the common man without always requiring a literate intermediary. These new fans don't buy their own copies but do insist their friends buy the Tail every week without fail, and often pay the buskers or tavern readers handsomely to hear the latest content. It is this demand—along with all the theatre-houses, directors, and actors purchasing it—that has given the Tail its burst of financial success." Page 44 Shades of Empire "The Literate and the Otherwise"
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"Even the most optimistic estimates put the literacy rate of the city of Altdorf at less than 20%, and the number who can read is far greater than those who find any use in the activity beyond deciphering simple messages. So all the broadsheets of Altdorf are competing for a tiny market indeed. However, each of these broadsheets can also have a far greater audience than just its customers: It is common practice for anyone who can read to do so aloud with his friends when new information is at hand. Since printed news is still an amazing novelty, every issue tends to be read aloud many times. Some are even read on street corners by buskers, asking a few clanks to cover the cost of their purchase. What's set the Tail apart so greatly is the performances it has inspired and cartoons it includes, which have, for the first time, allowed a broadsheet's content to reach the common man without always requiring a literate intermediary. These new fans don't buy their own copies but do insist their friends buy the Tail every week without fail, and often pay the buskers or tavern readers handsomely to hear the latest content. It is this demand—along with all the theatre-houses, directors, and actors purchasing it—that has given the Tail its burst of financial success." Page 44 Shades of Empire "The Literate and the Otherwise"
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From Page 50 of Shades of Empire
So... seeing how backfill works, perhaps we should start buying the first level of books for subjects that we are interested in (with no urgency) and let "backfill" slowly fill the gap.
We pay 50 gc by subject to define that this subject is of interest long term to the library... Not to assume that the backfill mechanics will stay the same once we've choosen our librarians but even then it could be a good base to build on.
We pay 50 gc by subject to define that this subject is of interest long term to the library... Not to assume that the backfill mechanics will stay the same once we've choosen our librarians but even then it could be a good base to build on.
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Besides. I'm pretty satisfied with our initial backfill haul, but I suspect that the Lay the Foundations action, the AV research, and the Ghyran nut if the Fatherless variant wins will all give us magical topics we're very interested in learning more about, and so predict that Colleges will carry the day next time.
I wonder if Karag Nar has a broadsheet yet? Might be a touch early in the timeline for such a thing to arise.
Edit: actually, I wonder if the EIC can develop an investigative journalism branch that doubles up as spies that can pass information onto us and the Grey College?
Edit: actually, I wonder if the EIC can develop an investigative journalism branch that doubles up as spies that can pass information onto us and the Grey College?
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Mopman43
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I mean, when your smugglers can bring back Warpstone or books, I think they're going to prioritize the Warpstone.
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Warpstone goes for a lot more money, and if you're willing to go into Mordheim of all places for profit, you're already the type to take stupid risks for the promise of a big payout.
Ok.
deathofrats0808
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Oh absolutely. Doesn't mean none of it got taken.
Wasn't about money. Mordheim got destroyed by a Warpstone meteor and Vlad wanted it to use in magic.
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Well, one of the broadsheets in Altdorf is actually a secret revolutionary group by the name of the Glorious Revolution of the People (Reformed), aka the GRP, masquerading as the "Griffon's Tail", who use political cartoons as a way of radicalising the populace into assuming a more pro-community and diplomatic view of the world to make it so that people can eventually rise up and overthrow the nobility. Spies masquerading as Journalists wouldn't be out of place.
Mopman43
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Worth bearing in mind that the proliferation of broadsheets described in Shades of Empire is after the creation of a movable-type press. Which is something that hasn't happened yet.
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Would taking the Psychology practical class in the Grey College advance the Psychological Warfare skill (2/3)? That would be another almost complete skill along with finishing the grey spell list.