This implies that (a) the Dawi have brothels and (b) they are a common-enough institution that there are sayings such as "a beardling in a brothel". Or is this just a Marienburger peculiarity?
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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This implies that (a) the Dawi have brothels and (b) they are a common-enough institution that there are sayings such as "a beardling in a brothel". Or is this just a Marienburger peculiarity?
Praise Jolly Cooperation!
Fortunately, thanks to Vlad and Skaven, most of it is gone.
Huh. Never thought I'd say something like that.
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She wasn't saying "get results with the waystone project, then we'll join", she was saying "kill these orcs and then we'll join".
The Scrollbearers aren't a mainstream order, they're a minor fanatical sect. The Lorekeepers, by contrast, are one of the two foremost schools of the Cult, the other being the Scalebearers.
You're wrong to worry about a lot of libraries being Scrollbearer aligned, but for the sake of argument, let's that most libraries are indeed Scrollbearers - we still want the Lorekeepers. The Lorekeepers are closely allied to the Order of Mysteries who we know are organised by the priest in charge of the Great Library of Altdorf, so it's quite likely that the biggest Verenan library in the Empire belong to the Lorekeepers. Let the Scrollbearers keep their many libraries (which I need to emphasise they don't actually have) - we have the biggest one.
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Sniped.
Dwarven machine guns (Crankguns) are kinda... lore but not really? There is one character in the Gotrek & Felix novels that has one, and apparently in 1e (which canoncity vis this quest is debatable) there were weapons called Dwarf Gatling Guns which were on ships ships and... war ballons?
Anyway, we have to wait a bit before we get them, which is a shame.
Imagine Mathilde popping out right behind a Warboss, pointing a minigun into their buttcheeks. Ah, one can wish
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Vermintide is lore, and it's lore that Boney's been drawing from going by the existence of Cousin Okri and everything he talked about.
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Then we are getting Crankguns for real, wahoo!
The Foogers have been in Marienburg for centuries, so they're not really a reflection of mainstream Dawi culture.
She was saying both.
Clatterguns on Gyrobombers too.
Regarding the library vote:
[ ] [LIBRARY] Back-fill.
[ ] [PURCHASE] The Lady: Extensive Bretonnian, Shallya: Extensive Bretonnian, The Kingdom Of Bretonnia: Extensive Bretonnian (300 gc)
As I've already said there's a decent chance that The Lady is Ranald's daughter and those books will help us see how likely that is. This is the only way to get hints regarding that theory that doesn't involve actually turning the coin to the Father and walking up to the Damsels, which I think would be premature at this point.
[ ] [LIBRARY] Back-fill.
[ ] [PURCHASE] The Lady: Extensive Bretonnian, Shallya: Extensive Bretonnian, The Kingdom Of Bretonnia: Extensive Bretonnian (300 gc)
As I've already said there's a decent chance that The Lady is Ranald's daughter and those books will help us see how likely that is. This is the only way to get hints regarding that theory that doesn't involve actually turning the coin to the Father and walking up to the Damsels, which I think would be premature at this point.
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Wonder how awkward it must be for the other sister when the Lady already has an entire country underneath her. Overachieving older daughter much?
I think Halétha doesn't mind living in the Shadows.
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Sure try to trick the cult of an ancestor god. You know, if you want to go slayer, you don't need to be this elaborate about it.
Jokes aside, the fact that theres a custom for the crowd to promptly not be is a strong indicator that it happens often enough.
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Nice to see Gunnars after so long. Like usual, we only end up talking to him when we need a Dwarven religous/Gazulite perspective, but that comes up more often than one would think. It's also convenient to have a language no one else in the immediate vicinity speaks. This isn't exactly top secret stuff, but it would be embarrassing to air out the dirty laundry in a public space.
This is what we expected and theorised. Nothing new there.
I don't think any Dwarf would appreciate Gunnars' statement about coming back as a Goblin. That's certainly worse to Dwarves than the thought of returning as a goat.
Nice to have confirmation that Ranald's shenanigans were the reason. Some people theorised that the certainty with which the Conclave sent its message was the result of them questioning Ranald, and apparently that is the case. I don't know how they even managed to pitch the question to him in the first place, but I heavily doubt any answer he gave would have been satisfactory to the Dwarves. They tend to be overly literal about things sometimes.
Huh. The Damsel was talking to Soizic. I'm sure it was both a scary and cathartic experience to be acknowledged by a Damsel from her homeland once more. I'm sure @Glau is rejoicing at this and I'd honestly look forward to an omake about it.
Ah, Damsels. Both coy and vaguely prickly. She's done her best to make absolutely no promises while giving hints as to what would benefit her nation. She wasn't all that subtle about what problems she wanted dealt with. I'm not sure if we can spare the attention to deal with another crisis at the moment, but I guess we can keep it in mind for the future.
Nice to meet Arkat Fooger himself instead of just a representative. I knew he wouldn't be one of the people worried about the canal, but his nonchalant attitude certainly caught me by surprise.
While I understand what he's saying, surely he should understand that all the routes he suggested are subpar compared to Marienburg? The River of Echoes is a highly flawed trade route thanks to being so narrow that specialised boats have to be made, and it can't carry large cargo. Land travel is inherently more dangerous, unreliable and slower/less efficient in terms of cost vs cargo capacity than water travel. Marienburg's geography is vital to how it can maintain itself as the most optimal trade route to the Empire. If Marienburg cut off all trade to the Empire, the Empire would starve (though that might change with the new canals). It wouldn't be able to supply itself with the other methods it suggested because it's just too damn big for those inefficient methods of trade. I'm sure he knows this.
Ah, there we see a difference between Dwarf and human lifestyles in display. If a Dwarf dies of old age, they're usually at some level of peace with it. Not so much for humans, who can't just extend their lifespan with some determination. It definitely makes them do stupid things, because humans so often care about what's good for them rather than what's good for others, like say, their descendants. Making the world worse because you won't live at the point where it becomes a problem. I'm sure many of us recognise that mindset...
House De Roelef is one of the newest Major Houses on the Directory, the speaker of the old nobility who currently live in genteel poverty in the Old Money Ward. They rose to power as a result of the previous family that held the position being revealed to be Slaanesh cultists, and they specialise in luxury imports:
"The de Roelefs specialize in luxury imports from Arabia, Tilea and Estalia, and export Imperial cloth, liquors and Wasteland lace. They have important contacts throughout this area, and Clotilde counts several Estalian kings and Arab rulers among her friends. At home, the de Roelefs try to maintain good relations with all the Directorate, save for Jaan van de Kuypers, for whom Clotilde holds a thinly disguised contempt. She is a friend to Arkat Fooger, and is considering joining him in his new insurance brokerage. The family's symbol is a white shield with a black griffin resting its paw on a bag of money." Page 30-31 Sold Down the River 1st Edition WFRP
It's pretty cold of Arkat Fooger to be willing to sell out a friend, but I guess at the end of the day he's out for himself and his House. I was honestly expecting the Van De Kuypers to be involved in this to be honest. They're the most dominant major house and are also one of the more... distasteful ones. They will do anything to reinforce their control over Marienburg and their monopoly. Half the Directory answers to them.
Essentially what I've been saying for the longest time. Going over the groups he mentions here:
"The Order of Mysteries is one of the few formal organisations within the Cult of Verena. The order is dedicated to the recovery of lost and forgotten lore, and uncovering suppressed knowledge. Sometimes this search takes place in the depths of musty libraries, other times in distant ruins or haunted tombs. The danger posed by its quest leads the order to frequently ally with Light Wizards and adventuring parties. The majority of adventuring Verenan priests are members of the order, or at the very least in its employ.
The Order of Mysteries publishes an infrequent journal detailing its expeditions and findings, called The Mysterious Volumes. Although the journal was intended to help spread knowledge amongst Verenans, and other interested scholars, it is often used by adventurers looking for danger and riches, as the order is renowned for leaving obvious treasures behind in favour of highly prized tomes.
The order acknowledges that it does not publish all of its findings, as not all knowledge is suitable for public consumption. However, in accordance with the strictures of Verena, such knowledge is always made available in the order's libraries for trusted and diligent scholars to find it.
The high priest and founder of the order is Manfred Archibald, who is also the high priest of the temple of Verena in Altdorf." Page 74-75 Tome of Salvation
Order of the Sword and Scale is a Lesser Order:
"The largest of Verena's martial orders, members of the Order of the Sword and Scale see themselves as agents of justice. The order's most common duty is to guard Verenan temples and dignitaries. Members are sometimes used to guard prisoners before a trial, or to provide additional security at a courthouse during particularly tense proceedings.
Members of the order are not merely guards, and can be called upon to actively wield the sword of justice. In this role they help enforce the judgments of Verenan priests, enacting justice at the end of a sword or battling against the agents of tyranny. In times of war or crusade they march along with the other knightly orders." Page 75
Knights of the Everlasting Light have been mentioned before so I'm not posting any excerpts about them. They're very well known.
Lorekeepers:
"The Lorekeepers focus on the aspect of Verena as the guardian of knowledge. They believe learning is more important than justice, and are usually found in the role of librarians and scholars. The Lorekeepers are closely allied with the Order of Mysteries and the rarer Knights of the Scroll." Page 74 ToS
Scrollbearers:
"One such group of fanatics is the Scrollbearers. The Scrollbearers fervently believe knowledge is power, and actively crave this power. They do this by collecting and hoarding as many scrolls, tomes and books as they can get their hands on, by whatever means they can, even going as far as stealing books they cannot buy. Scrollbearers are far from altruistic, and jealously guard their collections from others. For this reason they are viewed with disdain by most Verenans, who believe in making knowledge available to all. There are some Verenans, however, who look upon the secretive wealth of knowledge in the hands of the Scrollbearers with more than a little envy." Page 75
Knights of the Scroll:
"Much less common than the Sword and Scale, the Knights of the Scroll are closely tied to the Lorekeepers. The knights' mandate is to safeguard knowledge, and they do this by acting as guards at libraries, universities and Verenan temples. When word of a temple's controversial tome or forbidden grimoire becomes known, the knights are there, preventing fanatics or Witch Hunters from seizing the books.
They may also be dispatched to recover lost knowledge from dangerous locations, such as in the midst of wars. The knights are often enlisted by the Order of Mysteries to act as bodyguards on their expeditions, protecting the priests from danger.
A Knight of the Scroll is instantly recognisable—every inch of their armour is covered in fluttering fragments of scroll or parchment, or quotes painted on their weapons and armour." Page 76
Ah. Heinrich. Boris Todbringer's family situation is... something, to say the least. It was established in 1st Edition WFRP and rarely ever mentioned in other sources, but if you read Todbringer's wiki page, you can get an idea of the whole situation, and it isn't pretty. There's some incredibly baffling language present in that article about Todbringer's legitimate first son, Stefan.
This is from the wiki, sourced to 1st Edition:
"Boris Todbringer married very early; his first wife, Maria von Richthofen, died one year later giving birth to Stefan, whom Boris named as heir to his title. A few months earlier, Boris had learned he was father to another son, Heinrich, born to a lady-at-court. There are unconfirmed rumours that Heinrich was conceived the night before the Graf's marriage to Maria."
Minor note. Richtofen are a major Nulner family in charge of the Richtofen foundries, which produce the majority of Nuln's industrail capacity. They're a pretty big deal. Boris later marries another women from the Nikse family, which if one remembers are the currently ruling Nordland family. That is likely not the case in DL thanks to current tensions, which is good because it turnes out that she's a Slaaneshi cultist.
Completely aside to this, I can't help but chuckle at Mathilde being dwarfed by a teenager. All things considered though, he's six feet and still growing. His genes are crazy.
Heinrich is well spoken for an illegitimate child who likely isn't set for inheritance, though I suppose his mother is a lady at court so it isn't out of the question for him to have taken lessons.
I would say rest in peace to Khazrak and his vaguely homerotic rivalry with Boris Todbringer where the two constantly try to kill each other, but he was a pretty horrible guy, so I should probably tell him to burn in hell or something. You won't be missed Khazrak.
There's been a frightening tendency for notable canon characters just being offscreened in Divided Loyalties. I suppose Boney has no patience for armoring up characters just because they're important to canon.
We don't exactly have a direct line to Queen Marrisith to send the regards to, but the gesture is appreciated I suppose.
Interesting that Mathilde mentions Markus internally instead of Anton. She usually doesn't bring him up internally after all.
I'm proud of Roswita. I remember when she was unsettled by Vampire heads being thrown at her table, now she's placing one as decoration. How she has grown.
Also, I'm very happy and glad that Stirland's blight is over for the moment. Since the job is basically done, a celebration and reunion is in order. To honor those who've been lost and to greet a new chapter in the life of those who fought for Stirland.
Of course Anton was offered. The job is far more trouble than it's worth, so good on him for refusing. I'm also glad Kasmir's plans are unfolding. Good on him for maintaining the cultural values of Sylvania's non-harmful practices instead of just replacing it with Sigmarism. Kasmir's the best Priest of Sigmar we know, which is funny because he doesn't preach Sigmar all that much anymore.
Considering Okri is the one who pioneered the Outcast Engineer career in Vermintide used by Bardin Goreksson, I'm assuming you're referring to this:
And there it is. That's a good number of Bardin's weapons in Vermintide if you take Engineer, and most notably is the gatling gun. Very clever to use the established DL setting and what we already have to justify the ridiculous inventions made available in Vermintide. I'm also happy Adela is getting her chance to flex her skills and learn more under the tutelage of not just one Master Engineer, but two, both of which are radical enough to accept her help and work with her. I'm looking forward to a fruitful partnership.
If Okri is half the man that Bardin professes him to be, then he can do all that and more. Okri's power is unlimited as long as he's offscreen.
Simple and clean. Underwhelming for Mathilde because she favor traded to do this and she didn't get much out of it, but not everything ends up in dead cults and jolly cooperation. Sometimes things are just tame and subdued.
What a surprise. Prince Kazrik's gift is the most worthy out of.... all one of those gifts.
I think it's very sweet that despite the hurried and hectic arrangements of these marriages, Dwarves still very much care about consent and a healthy relationship between spouses. That's sweet.
Also nice of the crowd to just vibe with the couple no matter how it turns out. Dwarf culture is not nearly as rigid and uncompromising as some might think. It's refreshingly flexible.
I admit, I chuckled thinking of Mathilde of all people yelling encouraging advice/tips/banter on the subject of Kazrik and Edda's... mining, but I suppose she's the same person who spent her time relentlessly drilling Edda with euphemisms, so it's certainly not out of place. Still funny though.
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An addition to the post since an update came out while I was making it:
I wonder if this is a new god or if it's a simple combination of "Manhavok" and "Bylorak", both of which have been mentioned by Kasmir.
It shouldn't. The Empire is a mostly agrarian society that also sells grains to the Dawi; and there's no shortage of forests that can be cut down to make room for farmland.
I'd be extremely surprised if food is worth transporting from outside other than expensive exotic stuff.
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I meant it in a metaphorical way. I should have probably phrased it better. Graf Otto has expressed serious concerns about the Empire if a blockade were to be put in place by Marienburg.
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If the Umgi want better river routes than Marienburg then they should build them just like the Dawi are, clearly.
Maybe it's his Dwarfishness peeking through. Not many dwarfs enjoy hearing about their people being bombed, even if they are on the opposite side of the coin.
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We could make a plan wherein we buy all these books and also Eonir books on the Karaz Ankor. 550 gc, but we make 250 gc a turn and our money reserves are still quite big.
WFRP 1e takes place in 2500 IC except for the Enemy Within stuff (which is 2512 IC), so they may not be friends yet.
This was left in your quote.
Might be the marriage takes place in DL to calm tensions. Still, might not be a cultist, given how the Empress and Egrimm turned out.
She was probably also drunk at this point.
That's what he means, that Marienburg isn't top dog because it's the only route, but because it's the best route. The canal doesn't automatically smash Marienburg by destroying a non-existent monopoly, it is just one more competing route among many, and he thinks that maybe it'll win out for some routes for Arabyan and Tilean goods, but it's not going to come close to wiping Marienburg off the map.
The full 'council' seems to be of Manhorak and His sons: Bylorak, Fennorak, Darmorak, and Grimorak. General response seems rather confused, but nobody seems all that unhappy about a cult who's really into drowning vampires.
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Could it be a deliberate attempt to syncretise the worship of both to create a stronger cult with wider reach? We know powerful gods can sweep up lesser gods so a merging of equals could be a thing too maybe?
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Does this imply dwarves have dwarven brothels? I wouldn't have expected prostitution to fit their temperment, but then again it is the oldest profession and that counts for a lot with them. The scary part is when you think about them approaching the profession with the same level of stubborn perfectionism as they do every other type of work.
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Ah, I see. Let me take a stab at this.
Bylorak is clearly the god of Bylorhof, this is known.
I'm going to guess Fennorak is the god of Hel Fenn, and why the place is constantly called Hel Fenn and Hel Fen, and why it's called a Fenn when it's not a fen.
Grimorak I'm guessing is the god of Grim Moor, the place that isn't really a Moor.
Darmorak I'm guessing is the god of Dark Moor, another place that isn't a moor but rather a wetland, yet still called a Moor.
Manhorak I'm not sure about. Either way, it seems Kasmir has somehow found out the root cause of the weirdness surrounding Sylvania's swamps. This only inflames my curiousity and interest in a Kasmir action.
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Is Clotilde even born yet, let alone personal friends with Arkat?
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I assumed Boney changed the timeline because the De Roelefs are only a Major House "14 years ago", which would be in the future, but then I remembered that the De Roelefs likely existed before they became a Major House, so I was probably a bit confused there.