Remove ads

Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
Voting is open
Reader mode
Eisenhelm said:
it would be 200 pages of the flight school meme.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
No it wouldn't. This is from the last update:
Boney said:
You nod. "Don't want to miss the Barazdeg itself."

"What's up with that? From how it was explained it seems like some sort of wife auction?"

"Well, the thing about that is..."

As the two of you head back to the Grimbrow Clan Hall, you explain the finer points of Dwarven culture and the unspoken understandings and behind-the-scenes negotiations that underpin the ancient rituals.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
This is from her character sheet:
Boney said:
Karaz Ankor, Advanced: You're more at home in the Karaz Ankor than the Empire you theoretically owe allegiance to. +2 Diplomacy
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
And though I don't have the quote for it, Boney said somewhere that Mathilde is the best expert on dwarves the Colleges have.

So no, it's not just 200 pages of flight school.
 
Last edited:
Briefvoice said:
[X] House Fooger, for their view on the canal project and Marienburg situation

[X] Follow up on the newfound partnership between the Light Order and the Cult of Gazul

[X] Carcassonne/Bretonnia to inquire about their willingness to join the waystone project

I'm actually not feeling a lot of the top vote-getting choices, because they're people we generally have the opportunity to chose social actions for. I'd rather meet some genuinely new perspectives.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
I feel the same, honestly. There's a lot of opportunity to talk to people here that we'd otherwise have to spend AP or something on to really get in a conversation with, and while talking to Gunnars or finding stuff out about how Stirland is doing in the war or who Okri is is... interesting enough, I'm really much more interested in talking to all those normally harder-to-access people that we may want to deal with in the future. The ones we don't really have any contacts with yet.

Basically I want to take this opportunity to make new friends that are hard to make otherwise, and prod people for how they feel about Library/Waystone Project deals.

I wanna do some POLITICKING.
 
Last edited:
Yeah. Me too. Stirland, Okri, and the Ulrican-Eonir thing are nice and all, but we could use next turn's socials on them instead of having them take up space that could've been allocated to more time sensitive things that'll cost proper AP or be completely unavailable next turn.

Shame about the giant pile of votes we'll have to surpass for that.
 
[X] House Fooger, for their view on the canal project and Marienburg situation

[X] Follow up on the newfound partnership between the Light Order and the Cult of Gazul

[X] Carcassonne/Bretonnia to inquire about their willingness to join the waystone project

[x] Talk to Gretel about what she is doing in the borderlands

[X] Introduce the EIC to Kislev and Karak Vlag

[x] Talk to Nuln to find out about the war below

[x] Talk to Lady Magister Elspeth von Draken about the Strange Count you heard of Von Stangler who has a large library in Nuln


Let's talk and find out things we would not usually do.
 
I feel like the main difficulty here is that the social hangout and the pragmatic votes are competing for opportunity space, when ordinarily they're separated.
 
[X] Belegar to reflect upon the achievements and future of Karak Eight Peaks
[X] Follow up on the newfound partnership between the Light Order and the Cult of Gazul
[X] Check in on how Karak Vlag is managing and inquire about sharing books on magic and supernatural phenomena with our library.
 
The only thing is: those kinds of politics and diplomacy books are only written after you retire.

because they would get in the way of you actually doing your job.

Mathys views on dwarfs are that she likes them, but they are very very tragic, and its very very much their own fault in as many ways as its not: and that's not really something the dwarfs will like to read or hear.

so the book would likely be very much classified until she dies, and maybe for a while after, so that it doesn't get in the way for her going her thing.
 
[X] Give a prayer of thanks to Ranald, stumble into the crowd without looking and see where fortune brings you.
[X] Gunnars about the emergency Conclave that declared us a "Dwarf"
 
[X] Stirland about the state of the war and who has become Markgräfin
[X] The Tilean Cult of Myrmidia to discuss the Waystone project.
[x] follow up on the Skull River investigation
[X] Give a prayer of thanks to Ranald, stumble into the crowd without looking and see where fortune brings you.
 
Eisenhelm said:
it would be 200 pages of the flight school meme.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
"what I've found works best is to prove yourself dependable by actually doing what you say you will for like, 20 years. That usually works for me."
"What if externalities force us to break a deal with them?"
"Externalities? That's a bad strategy, son, plus its gruesome."
 
Last edited:
[X] Carcassonne/Bretonnia to inquire about their willingness to join the waystone project
[X] Cult of Verena about the possibility of entering into an agreement with our library
[X] House Fooger, for their view on the canal project and Marienburg situation
[X] Cult of Taal about joining the Waystone Project
[X] The Tilean Cult of Myrmidia to discuss the Waystone project.
[X] follow up on the Skull River investigation
[X] The Damsels to inquire about their willingness to join the Waystone Project
[X] The Magicians of Araby to discuss the Waystone Project
[X] See if you can find a Priest of Ranald. You are duty bound to play at least one round of cards or dice with them. Ask how things up North are doing, and how the faith is doing in K8Ps. You've tried to stay out of it, for the most part, but you are curious.
 
Last edited:
Andres said:
Could we write the book on diplomacy with the Karaz Ankor? Now, most of Mathilde's reputation with the dwarves has to do with her deeds, but she does have a great grasp on dwarven culture and politics, the leading expert in the Colleges of Magic in fact.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Andres said:
And though I don't have the quote for it, Boney said somewhere that Mathilde is the best expert on dwarves the Colleges have.

So no, it's not just 200 pages of flight school.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Depends on what you mean exactly
Write a book explaining the bits of Dwarven culture and politics that are public knowledge?
Sure Mathilde can do that, but that's ground that's most likely been thoroughly covered by tons of academics and diplomats already

Write a book on the bits of Dwarven culture and politics that aren't public knowledge? Like the various tensions that exists within the Karaz Ankor between Karaks?
Well Mathilde could technically do that, but for a lot of it the reason it isn't public knowledge is because the Dwarves would rather those bits not be known

Write an actual guide to Dwarven diplomacy?
Boney said:
About that...

Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
 
[X] House Fooger, for their view on the canal project and Marienburg situation
[X] Karak Vlag about the possibility of entering into an agreement with our library
[X] Cult of Verena about the possibility of entering into an agreement with our library
[X] Know collectors and patrons of the Arts and Sciences among the guests. K8Ps is footing the bills for the Library, but there are plenty of tomes and artefacts only found in private collections.
[X] The Magicians of Araby to discuss the Waystone Project
[X] Carcassonne/Bretonnia to inquire about their willingness to join the waystone project
[X] The Tilean Cult of Myrmidia to discuss the Waystone project.

[X] The We: See how their self-guided societal evolution is going.
[x] A dragon, to see what they think of dwarven mating rituals.
 
Last edited:
Codex said:
I should say that those were not her initial base stats. Her Base stats used to exist back on Orokos but that's gone now. Roswita's traits since she met Mathilde, like the one where she has a knack for Wizards, boosted her Diplo, and the Marine trait boosted her Martial.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

Dice Roller • Orokos.com

Orokos is a tool site for role-playing games, such as Dungeons and Dragons 4th edition, allowing players to upload characters from Wizards of the Coast's Character Builder program and providing a dice roller and attribute calculator.
web.archive.org

Praise be the wayback machine, for preserving the lore of the ancients! Sadly it doesn't go beyond 2018, so no rolls of more recent events.
 
CrimsonOddball said:
Depends on what you mean exactly
Write a book explaining the bits of Dwarven culture and politics that are public knowledge?
Sure Mathilde can do that, but that's ground that's most likely been thoroughly covered by tons of academics and diplomats already
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
The Empire has Extensive and Esoteric books on the Karaz Ankor, so overall, the subject has indeed been extensively covered by various academics and diplomats. However, newness and perspective matter a lot. Mathilde's lived among dwarves for over a decade, something very few humans can say they've done. More significantly, Karaz Ankor itself has shifted significantly compared to how it used to be decades and centuries prior. Three karaks are back, resulting in new trade, connections, alliances, and even outlook; dwarven willingness to take on human aid is much greater than prior authors reported, and the repayment of debts is now more emphasised than it was before, with Karak Eight Peaks inventing having a big ceremony emphasising the Dalaz Kron. The specific cultures of those three new karaks would also be worth reporting on, even if of course Mathilde's most familiar with Eight Peaks.

There's a lot to be written about even without stepping into what the Karaz Ankor would prefer remaining private, and Mathilde's the single best person in the Empire to write about it.

Another thing worth considering is that in writing our book, we'll be drawing from Dwarven Esoteric books on the subject and potentially Eonir books too. There'll be public-acceptable information in that literature that previous Empire authors wouldn't have had access to; the DF for the rarer dwarf books is very hard for academics and diplomats to gain on account of Flight School reasons, while the Eonir are a brand new source of information entirely.
 
Last edited:
[X] House Fooger, for their view on the canal project and Marienburg situation

[X] Follow up on the newfound partnership between the Light Order and the Cult of Gazul

[x] Talk to Gretel about what she is doing in the borderlands
 
Last edited:
Jyn Ryvia said:
Mathys views on dwarfs are that she likes them, but they are very very tragic, and its very very much their own fault in as many ways as its not: and that's not really something the dwarfs will like to read or hear.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
I don't think the point of a book on diplomacy is to share your private personal thoughts on what you think of a society on a normative level. If somebody from, I dunno, Bretonnia were to write a book on diplomacy with the Empire and filled it with a bunch of stuff about how they think the Elector system is incredibly dumb then that would be a book on the opposite of diplomacy, as illustrated by object lesson. "How to Talk Good to Dwarves" isn't going to focus on "here's things I think about Dwarves that they don't want to hear." That's directly antithetical to the premise.

In general, I'm baffled that people are suggesting that Mathilde doesn't have anything valuable to say about diplomacy with Dwarves outside of "kill stuff for them lol." Literally, the number one diplomat in the whole ass Empire sought Mathilde out for her insights into Dwarven diplomacy, and her advice to him was not just "have you tried stabbing orcs and/or rats?"

She might need to dial back the frankness of some of her assessments and massage the framing a little for a general audience, but Mathilde is a damn Grey Wizard and at this point probably a prospective Ranaldite Saint. I think she can just possibly make her peace with that concept.

Ultimately Mathilde is still somebody so deeply immersed in Dwarven culture that she is literally considered to legally be a Dwarf now as per the conclave of Karaz-a-Karak. Yes, there are presumably other works written for humans about how to do diplomacy with Dwarves, but how many of them do you think were written by somebody who is, somehow, simultaneously both a Dwarf and a human? And has spent literal decades actually living in the Karaz Ankor? Most diplomats who have had dealings with the Karaz Ankor wouldn't have done that, ever.
 
I've been convinced by the argument that we really wouldn't have another chance to talke to House Fooger, and I am interested in what they might have to say. Perhaps House Fooger sees which way the wind is blowing and is trying to position itself in order to benefit from the canals, even though it might prefer for them not to exist at all.
[X] House Fooger, for their view on the canal project and Marienburg situation

[X] Check in on how Karak Vlag is managing and inquire about sharing books on magic and supernatural phenomena with our library.
[X] Cult of Verena about the possibility of entering into an agreement with our library
[X] Middenland about how the Eonir-Ulric partnership is going
[X] Stirland about the state of the war and who has become Markgräfin
[X] Karaz-a-Karak about the state of the Skull River investigation
 
Pairing down my vote a bit:

[X] Cult of Verena about the possibility of entering into an agreement with our library
[X] Okri: The new Loremaster of Karak Eight Peaks is Okri Drakkisson of Clan Bronzebeard, formerly of Karak Norn. Meet your replacement and gauge what kind of person he is.
[X] Give a prayer of thanks to Ranald, stumble into the crowd without looking and see where fortune brings you.
[x] A dragon, to see what they think of dwarven mating rituals.
[X] The Barak Varr book resellers and Carcassonne to see if the former can expand operations to the duchy
[X] Check in on how Karak Vlag is managing and inquire about sharing books on magic and supernatural phenomena with our library.
[X] Talk to a Priest that was present during the Emergency Conclave and ask what's up with being declared a "Dwarf".
 
Last edited:
Another tally which combines similar votes.

[] Gunnars about the emergency Conclave that declared us a "Dwarf"
[] Talk to a Priest that was present during the Emergency Conclave and ask what's up with being declared a "Dwarf".​

[] Carcassonne/Bretonnia to inquire about their willingness to join the waystone project
[] The Damsels to inquire about their willingness to join the Waystone Project​

[] Cult of Verena about the possibility of entering into an agreement with our library
[] Cult of Verena about the possibility of entering into an agreement with our library and joining the waystone project​

[] House Fooger, for their view on the canal project and Marienburg situation
[] Get House Fooger's view on the canal project and Marienburg situation​
[] Speak to the House Foger representative about the Ambush on the Skull River and your suspicions that someone is trying to frame Marianburg in order to spark a war​

[] Stirland about the state of the war and who has become Markgräfin
[] Sitirland about the state of the war and who has become Markgräfin​

[] Follow up on the newfound partnership between the Light Order and the Cult of Gazul
[] Follow up on the newfound partnership between the Light Order and the Cult of Gazu​

[] Karak Vlag about the possibility of entering into an agreement with our library
[] Check in on how Karak Vlag is managing and inquire about sharing books on magic and supernatural phenomena with our library.​
[] Karak Vlag about the possibility of entering into an agreement with our library, and also take the time to check in on them in general​
[] Karak Vlag about what kinds of books they have, and also take the time to check in on them in general​

[] follow up on the Skull River investigation
[] Karaz-a-Karak about the state of the Skull River investigation​
[] Barak Varr about the state of the Skull River investigation​

[] Dragomas/Ambers regarding support for the Waystone Project
[] Meet with the other colleges currently not involved with the waystone and gauge their interest in joining the waystone project​

Adhoc vote count started by Rafin on Apr 10, 2022 at 3:12 AM, finished with 359 posts and 89 votes.
Click to expand...
 
Last edited:
Reader mode
You must login or register to reply here.
Voting is open
Remove ads
Back
Top