pucflek
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Sure. And it will hurt some. But if you only undercut monopoly on 5 kind of items out of a thousands, you didn't actually hurt the monopoly that much.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Elves believe that Morr is Morai-Hag. They are not similar Gods, they are the same God, and if humans like calling her Morr and saying she's male that's whatever. Here is prince Galenstra implicitly assuming that Morr is Morai-Hag, and it is such an obvious observation to him that neither he nor Mathilde see any need to even mention it:
Which house dominates the worship of Ereth Khial, and how do they feel about that idea? Or was that the extinct house or something?
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Hello there, have you heard the good word of Ranald?
Nethu guards Ereth Khial's eternal sweatshop underworld.
If Ranald isn't Loec, then Ranald probably really, really doesn't want to be shoved into a cage match with Loec.
None of them, which is a big part of the reason they're thought of as vulnerable.
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And if they are, they probably don't want anyone to draw attention to the fact.
I guess that figures. I'm not sure I get what Ereth Khial is really about. There's already a death Goddess, and so on top of that the elves also have a...bad death Goddess, like the other one but worse? Did I get that right?
Droman
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Someone who deals with union relations... Do the elves have a Shallya equivalent?
K von Carstein
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Do you mean that figuratively (as in « the faithfuls of the 2 will try to tear each other appart ») or literally (as in « Loec personally tearing Ranald a new one »)? Does that mean that if Ranald isn't Loec thé later has more power than the former?
Édit
I'd say Isha.
Mopman43
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Wine, historically. The didn't figure out how to transport wine by sea until some point in the last few hundred years.
Though I expect Ulthuan probably figured out some way around it.
K von Carstein
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Aren't the Asurs already exporting wine outside Ulthuan? Or is that just fanon? But yeah, magic is nice like that.
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Even if Ranald was stronger, they probably have better things to do than get in a cage match against another god because of Mathilde, again, for a third time.
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I'm not the lord high dictator of library votes, but I took a look at the situation. We have Extensive+Esoteric Imperial and Extensive Dwarf so far. Extensive Eonir books on Trade seem like a pretty reasonable investment to me from the perspective of understanding how commerce fits into their society and targeting our approach thereby. The K8P Steward, what's his name, Caravello? He's already an EIC asset who has already retained Eltharin literate personnel. Disseminating the information within them should be pretty doable if it turns out trade is desirable.
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It's curious that they even need to make room instead of just adding Ulric in. I suppose there's limited space in the Mandela for whatever reason. Ereth Khial makes a lot of sense, she is one of the most unpleasant Goddesses of the Pantheon and without the Slaanesh lore from canon her importance to Elven life is sub par. People prayed to her in canon so they wouldn't be eaten by Slaanesh, without that, I don't see her having much influence outside of the Druchii, who revel in being twisted for little to no reason.
I also suppose that the Elves can ascend one of their own minor gods. Sarriel is supposedly worshipped as a demigod in Laurelorn according to 4th Edition and is a local god for the Eonir in Tome of Salvation 2E so maybe they could ascend to full godhood. Although that might not be wise because Sarriel's domain kind of intrudes on Lileath. Ah well, we'll see what happens.
In canon, Morai-Heg was the Goddess of Death, and Ereth Khial the Goddess of the Underworld. Their Domains are close, but not exactly the same because one focuses on the concept of death, the other on maintaining the Underworld. Ereth Khial's lore, however, is closely entwined with parts that Boney dislikes from 8th (Slaanesh), so I'd leave it to him to explain the intricacies in his own quest.
Interesting that the answer to the question 'Is Ranald really Loec wearing a fake moustache?' could be 'Not yet...' in that case.
That would probably be news to the Romans who shipped a lot of wine around in amphora.
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Observe Marienburg doing stupid shit about the canal. Which isn't even hurting their position as the best trade route, but best is not SOLE route.
A hurt that can make them act irrationally.
It won't bankrupt them. It will make them upset and theres going to be knock on effects(which mostly amount to Laurelorn rapidly finding its production cap and the resultant prices equalizing, and generally giving Laurelorn a lot of money to buy dwarf materials with, fully paid by Marienburg's losses).
Which in turn provokes political instability in Marienburg for the perception of losses, and opens up opportunities.
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I'm kinda curious how all of that would play with the Pheonix King who seemingly wants to mend bridges with the dwarves, and presumably with the Eonir.
Probably nothing too overt, but there might be some meaningful silences between Ulthuan and Marienburg that make the merchant princes sweat.
Probably nothing too overt, but there might be some meaningful silences between Ulthuan and Marienburg that make the merchant princes sweat.
Oh dear. There's a time bomb for you! Now don't misunderstand, I get that Joerg is considered a priest of Taal, even though he says himself that:
But he's a member of a Taalite religious order. But what happens when one of the Winter Wolves over in Ulrikdrin, a group "not sanctioned by the Cult of Ulric" develops powers in the same way that Joerg does? Whelp, guess that's a problem for tomorrow's Mathilde.
Mopman43
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The Mediterranean is a different beast to the Atlantic (or Warhammer equivalent)
K von Carstein
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What does that change?
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How would he do that. The dwarves aren't exactly known to let grievances lie forgotten.
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Hello there, have you heard the good word of Only Mork?
Pretty much. Ereth Khial's accepted niche is that if you die far from home with no hope of your soul being shepherded by a Priest of Morai-heg or escaping to a Dreaming Wood or the Waystone network from where it can make its own way to someone who can point it in the right direction, an eternity of service to Ereth Khial is thought by some to be better than taking your chances with the Aethyr and risking falling into the clutches of Chaos. But very, very few citizens of Laurelorn have any chance of dying in those circumstances, which is why Her worship is withering away there.
Isha and Lileath cover most of the same ground.
Possibly both. Loec is hardcore. His favourite prank is an arrow through the back of the head and his favourite dances involve someone getting stabbed to death.
There's two on the outer ring for every one in the inner ring, and every now and then I think I can see a hint of some sort of pattern to which outers are associated with which inner, so I'm not going to mess with that ratio. So the alternative to swapping someone out for Ulric would be adding two new Gods along with Him and deciding who gets to be the new inner.
Yet another reason I'm not sure Loec=Ranald makes sense. Ranald doesn't prohibit violence entirely, but he does restrain it in his followers. Loec really doesn't. Could be that this is just the same God finding their niche in different cultures, but...eh.
I'd never thought of it this way, but she literally runs a protection racket for dead elven souls.
The availability of human souls not properly laid to rest to necromancers suggests that she doesn't have any human equivalents in the Old World - and perhaps that this is a bad thing. Better to toil for Ereth Khial in her Aethyric realm* than have the fragmented pieces of your soul bound to your decaying corpse as a weapon against your living kin, after all.
* and perhaps, albeit optimistically, that toil is actually necessarily to empower her to do something that other death gods don't or can't, which is claim souls without one of their mortal agents performing the appropriate rituals.
All speculation, of course.
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Believe it or not, but Dwarves have crossed out the Grudges of the War of the Beard. There remains some heavy distrust and dislike, but the only animosity directed towards Ulthuan is the result of shit like the Cloak of Beards and stuff like that. The Dwarves have an open invitation for the Phoenix King of Ulthuan to come to Karaz A Karak and grovel to the High King, which would result in the Dwarves giving the Elves back the Phoenix Crown. It's just not happening though.
The general disdain Dwarves and Elves have against each other is the primary blocks to diplomacy, rather than actual capital G Grudges against every single Elf from Ulthuan.