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Barak Varr to Erengrad is about five thousand miles by sea, which is something like Helsinki to Rome or London to Miami. And Erengrad has a fairly significant Elven presence. So Barak Varr is probably not the answer here. Considering how long ago the Fire Spire fell and how much the Colleges have come to prominence since then, you'd need some theoretical Dwarven Karak very close to Praag who would have had some need to preserve every insight into the nature of magic they could get for the past two centuries and no opportunity to trade those books away to the Colleges...

I didn't think that Vlag had anything left from the time before... but then there was mention of Kislevian nobles being surprised to discover that the vaults their ancestors had placed their treasures within had survived, so it's likely that their archives could have as well.

... huh, now I'm wondering if Boyar Kalashinivik had anything in there.
 
…Uh, guys? I'm pretty sure all those suggestions were jokes. Like, it starts by talking about Tongs as a triumph, which… should be indication enough. The irreverent tone and ending especially makes it obvious these shouldn't be taken seriously.
Some things are simply too traumatic. Jokes about the tongs need a trigger warning, and I'm only half joking.

Now, the next part might get me lynched (tongs related trigger warning!), but I personally found the outcome satisfying enough. The tongs do in fact work to let her cast spells from other winds in a (for her) safe manner. It's just very illegal, and consensus in the thread is that it's a line that should not be crossed (and I agree). So it ended up with not practical value, just a dangerous forbidden technique. Which I'm fine with, I like that Mathilde has at least two dangerous forbidden techniques.

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Well, there's at least one narrative reason for Mathilde to take an apprentice, Eike or someone else: The colleges kinda require it.

Like, I don't know when, but at some point Algard would have to start nudging Mathilde to take an apprentice so that her knowledge and skills can be passed down to a new generation. He'd probably be polite about it, because a) Mathlide is a busy person, and b) she's earned a lot of goodwill from the colleges, but soon or later she would be expected to teach.

Besides, I trust Boney to do it justice. I mean, I really, really, really didn't want to do the waystone arc at all (and then, when it was chosen, I wanted it to be based in Kislev). But I'm not mad that I lost those votes, because Boney took something I had very little interest in and made it interesting, and I'm actually enjoying the waystone arc because of his skill as a writer.

When it comes to having an apprentice, I trust Boney to also make that interesting, and it'll be a shift and a change in the story.
Although Boney already said this nudging wouldn't happen, I'll also point out that Eike probably wouldn't be the person they where nudging us to take what with her Shyallan pacifism, she wouldn't be an appropriate person to learn a lot of Mathildes skills.
 
Although Boney already said this nudging wouldn't happen, I'll also point out that Eike probably wouldn't be the person they where nudging us to take what with her Shyallan pacifism, she wouldn't be an appropriate person to learn a lot of Mathildes skills.
Again, just because she's a Shallyan doesn't necessarily mean she's a pacifist. I will also note that Shallya is not a Pacifist:
There are no pacifist Gods. Ranald frowns on unnecessary violence. Shallya says not to kill except in self-defence. Neither argue that society as a whole should foreswear violence, and both will absolutely kill someone who foreswear their vows badly enough.
Mathilde has plenty of non murder skills to teach. She doesn't spend her entire day killing people. She's got many other things to teach Eike other than Assassination. Even if Eike decides not to start going gung ho about killing people; one, she's not a pacifist, two, Mathilde is not a one trick pony focused on murder.
 
Again, just because she's a Shallyan doesn't necessarily mean she's a pacifist. I will also note that Shallya is not a Pacifist:

Mathilde has plenty of non murder skills to teach. She doesn't spend her entire day killing people. She's got many other things to teach Eike other than Assassination. Even if Eike decides not to start going gung ho about killing people; one, she's not a pacifist, two, Mathilde is not a one trick pony focused on murder.
Good thing that isn't what I said:
a lot of Mathildes skills
not all.
However being a hero class combatant and assassin is a pretty important part of Mathilde's contributions. From reclaiming Karaks, our first great deed, the fact that LM diplomacy so far has been exchanging Mathilde solves a problem (usually with a fight) for whatever else we want. If someone was trying to get her to teach a successor, they wouldn't want her to not pass on that stuff.
 
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I am pretty sure preemptive assassination of vampire/chaos threat is Self Defence.

Yep. The only difference between Mathilde and Eike will be that what is named "assassination" in Mathilde's char sheet will be "preventive medicine" in Eike's. :V
 
Good thing that isn't what I said:

not all.
Two of Mathilde's skills are directly related to personally killing people. Swordsmanship and Assassination. The grand majority of her time is not spent killing people. That is not "a lot". That is "A minority of her skills". Most of what Mathilde has is teachable to someone who doesn't want to become an assassin.
 
Mathilde has plenty of non murder skills to teach. She doesn't spend her entire day killing people. She's got many other things to teach Eike other than Assassination. Even if Eike decides not to start going gung ho about killing people; one, she's not a pacifist, two, Mathilde is not a one trick pony focused on murder.
Yeah, Martial isn't even one of Mathilde's top three stats, and depending on whether you count the strategy/tactics skills, could be one of her least common skills and traits. She's got swording, shooting, assassination… and that's about it, really. Even Warrior of Fog is more about moving oneself and armies unseen.
 
Eike is like 3 years old, there are good odds that if her religious views were incompatible with what Grey College needs their graduates to do, she would either change her religious views or would be steered to a different order.
 
Eike is like 3 years old, there are good odds that if her religious views were incompatible with what Grey College needs their graduates to do, she would either change her religious views or would be steered to a different order.
I know this is exaggeraton, but she's like 14-15 at the moment. By the time she graduates to Senior she'll be around 16-17. Just because she's not on camera at the moment doesn't mean she stops growing up.

EDIT: She's actually 13 or so at the moment and might be 14 or 15 at graduation. Miscalculated.
 
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Two of Mathilde's skills are directly related to personally killing people. Swordsmanship and Assassination. The grand majority of her time is not spent killing people. That is not "a lot". That is "A minority of her skills". Most of what Mathilde has is teachable to someone who doesn't want to become an assassin.
I think you're pretty generous to ignore her command skills. "I'm a pacifist, I don't like to kill people. I just tell other people to kill them."
I also think its somewhat difficult to separate infiltration, as even if its not 100% required, picking off sentries is helpful. And a lot of her other skills like Interrogation are just higher level classes at the Grey College, after all her extracting Queekish was just following the textbook for a long term plan, she was just the first person to have the opportunity.

Look at what she's famous for.
Destroying Castle Drakenhof.
Aiding in the reclaimation of K8P
(Secretly) Destroying the necromancer college
Waagh and Peace
(Secretly) translating Queekish
Reclaiming Karak Vlag

Those two skills are disproportionately responsible for her success.
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I know this is exaggeraton, but she's like 14-15 at the moment. By the time she graduates to Senior she'll be around 16-17. Just because she's not on camera at the moment doesn't mean she stops growing up.
She's 11 ish. College tuiton takes 3 - 5 years and Wilhelmina thought she'd graduate sooner rather than later at 14. But I forget how much time passed since then
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Found it
"The first stage of her training would take three to five years, and would require her to stay within the confines of her College. After that it would be possible for her teachings to be continued elsewhere - the EIC would easily have the resources to organize facilities and tutors."

"Three to five... probably closer to three than five, she's sharp. So she'd be fourteen or so... that... shouldn't disrupt things too much..." She closes her eyes for a while, her brow furrowed in thought. "Okay. I'll have a talk to her, let her know. Will you take her to Altdorf?"
That was two years ago so she's 12 -13?
 
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Speaking of skills, I wonder if we can finally get that last third of scouting from this mess, since we'll actually be scouting in a forest for once. Also, maybe we can glean something for Psychological warfare? I can't even remember where the first couple bits for that came from, but Drycha seems like the sort of person to use terror and cunning in battle. We've done a lot of intrigue stuff this turn, so getting some pluses would be nice.
 
I know this is exaggeraton, but she's like 14-15 at the moment. By the time she graduates to Senior she'll be around 16-17. Just because she's not on camera at the moment doesn't mean she stops growing up.
I know i know. But there is nothing about belief that has to be set in stone, so we will see.

Gonna cross the bridge when we get there, even if there is a bridge in the first place.
 
Reminder that Shallya is the majority faith in the Light Order, and they are the heavy hitting order who specialise in fighting chaos.

Worshipping the Goddess of Mercy doesn't mean you are not allowed to take a life—sometimes a swift death to the enemies of mankind is the only mercy you can offer.
 
Reclaiming Karak Vlag
This was magical skill.
(Secretly) translating Queekish
This was Learning
This was learning and magical skill

You also missed MAP, ROW and Mathilde's Matrix and her army of papers, none of which required direct murder. A lot of information that Mathilde provided was also done through Scouting in which she hasn't killed all that many if any during the process because that makes it harder to sneak around.

I also think it's a bit weird to use Mathilde's deeds as comparison. Eike doesn't have to compete against Mathilde's deeds. She can use any of Mathilde's many skills to develop her own repertoire even if it's less flashy. Grey Wizards aren't typically flashy anyways, Mathilde's an outlier. Look at Mathilde's list of skills and count how many are directly related to murder and how many are not. You'll realise that Mathilde is not nearly as murder specced as you believe.

Also, again, you're completely and entirely ignoring the fact that Eike might not be a pacifist because it doesn't fit your narrative.
 
but she's like 14-15 at the moment
Also, as i said, a little tiny babu. We've got scars almost older than her. (I forgot the battle in which Abelhelm died has only been 12 years ago)

Goddamnit Mathilde is like, 40 or something right now, no?

Gotta learn knitting, we will make her a scarf. Momthilde.
 
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Also, again, you're completely and entirely ignoring the fact that Eike might not be a pacifist because it doesn't fit your narrative.
Finally some common sense. Why is Eike's faith considered unassailable? We've heard theories that Winds can have as much influence on a person as any God. Maybe she will find out that she likes assassination skills more that she likes Shallya.
 
This was magical skill.
This was Learning
This was learning and magical skill
I agree Eike doesn't have to compete with Mathildes deeds.
However this was always about if someone was going to pressure Mathilde to train Mathilde 2.0, then Eike wouldn't be a good choice.
Not that I think Eike cannot be a good wizard without learning these skills.

I wasn't listing them because I thought they were all examples of combat... It was meant to demonstrate that the majority of things she was famous for where martial. And that if someone was trying to capture the Mathilde lightning in a new bottle those are what they'd be thinking of.
Although I will point out, all three of those where only possible because she got opportunities while killing someone.

MAP was a minor thing until that other LM generalised it. Nobody but Mathilde knows ROW as far as I'm aware so its hardly something she's famous for, and you don't pressure someone into a replacement over a dozen papers in wildly disparate fields.
 
Finally some common sense. Why is Eike's faith considered unassailable? We've heard theories that Winds can have as much influence on a person as any God. Maybe she will find out that she likes assassination skills more that she likes Shallya.
Now you're going too far. Eike chose something that resonated with her after her coming of age ceremony. That means she fundamentally holds a strong connection with Shallya's principles. She can decide to change whoever she dedicates herself to, that's no issue, it's not a lifelong commitment, but just like Mathilde dedicated herself to Ranald at a young age the same might apply to Eike. I don't think she'll suddenly decide killing people is more fun than Shallya.

However, I think I need to mention that Boney's world is flexible and not a homogenous blob where everyone strictly follows the same rules because they worship a god:
Training equipment for her Apprentice wouldn't cost favours. And in general, Shallyan-associated laypeople doling out violence on behalf of the actual clergy when it is sadly necessary is recognized as an unfortunate but unavoidable occurrence. Most Shallyan Temples have a few associated armed burly folks to 'help carry things'.
 
Finally some common sense. Why is Eike's faith considered unassailable? We've heard theories that Winds can have as much influence on a person as any God. Maybe she will find out that she likes assassination skills more that she likes Shallya.
While the general sentiment is sound, it should be pointed out that Ulgu has very little to do with assassination directly. Even Mathilde straight up said it takes a lot of extra work and influence to make super assassins out of Ulgu mages. Wind influence would be more likely to make her a conwoman or a magician or something.
 
While the general sentiment is sound, it should be pointed out that Ulgu has very little to do with assassination directly. Even Mathilde straight up said it takes a lot of extra work and influence to make super assassins out of Ulgu mages. Wind influence would be more likely to make her a conwoman or a magician or something.
"Mystics and Showmen" was the example Mathilde brought up when she was talking with Panoramia, but all things considered she might have wanted to make her Wind sound more impressive/admirable to her date. Conwoman doesn't sound as catchy as a mystic or show(wo)man.
 
Finally some common sense. Why is Eike's faith considered unassailable? We've heard theories that Winds can have as much influence on a person as any God. Maybe she will find out that she likes assassination skills more that she likes Shallya.
Ulgu doesn't naturally produce assassins, it produces showmen and mystics.

And while it's true that Eike's faith in Shallya is not ironclad (hell, we have no idea where it's from really serious to casual interest), the fact that it's her chosen faith does indicate her personality leans that way. AFAIK, there's no external pressure on her to choose that, and if she was inclined to assassination by personality, she'd have chosen a different god. It's not like there's a shortage of gods of violence.

We shouldn't take her choice of faith as too absolut. But right now, it's pretty much the only indicator that we've actually got, because so much else is shaped by Wilhelmine and she was still too young to go against expectations.
 
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"Mystics and Showmen" was the example Mathilde brought up when she was talking with Panoramia, but all things considered she might have wanted to make her Wind sound more impressive/admirable to her date. Conwoman doesn't sound as catchy as a mystic or show(wo)man.
To be fair, mystics and showmen are often conmen—and women—as well. Just, you know, they do it through entertainment. But fair point that it's not necessarily bad. Then again, running cons through the EIC would be a natural application given her most likely future… or at least, a lot of financial cunning.
 
Ulgu doesn't naturally produce assassins, it produces showmen and mystics.

And while it's true that Eike's faith in Shallya is not ironclad (hell, we have no idea where it's from really serious to casual interest), the fact that it's her chosen faith does indicate her personality leans that way. AFAIK, there's no external pressure on her to choose that, and if she was inclined to assassination by personality, she'd have chosen a different god. It's not like there's a shortage of gods that offer that possibility.

We shouldn't take her choice of faith as too absolut. But right now, it's pretty much the only indicator that we've actually got, because so much else is shaped by Wilhelmine and she was still too young to go against expectations.
You could say the same of Mathilde.

She has little direct inclination to be an Assassin and her god is not a fan of violence either.

Yet we do have the skills and we occasionally find ourselves in situation where assassinations are the best path forward.
 
To be fair, mystics and showmen are often conmen—and women—as well. Just, you know, they do it through entertainment. But fair point that it's not necessarily bad. Then again, running cons through the EIC would be a natural application given her most likely future… or at least, a lot of financial cunning.
Is Mork also the God of Fraud and Cons? We better push Eike away from that path. I don't want her to start speaking in "Gitspeak".
 
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