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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Boney said:
There's also the question of Alberich's empowerment. Despite his severe injuries, Alberich only grew faster in the few minutes between the beginning of your encounter and its climax, and for a man to move with the sinuous grace of a lesser Daemon of the Tempter implies more attention than you'd expect the Dark Gods to pay to matters like this. You are also very aware that you had more company than that of Ranald on this night's work, and you don't mean your colleagues among the Longshanks. Perhaps you should not have given a wolf's howl with sword in hand while pursuing a Slaaneshi Magus through the streets of a holy city. That is an uncomfortable density of resonances, and you feel uncomfortably watched from multiple angles right now.
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Mathilde might get evaluated as a potential Order Champion to send against the eventual Everchosen.

I think killing an everchosen candidate might get you in the opposite champion candidate pool :)
 
There are Iron Orcs in Bretonnia, they forsook Gork and Mork and now worship the gods of Chaos.

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Boney said:
"Iron Orcs," the Duke says. "Like Black Orcs, but with the armour set into their skin, bearing runes of the Dark Gods. They come from the mountains in greater numbers every year." You grimace at that. Though the greenskins almost always stay true to their native Gods of Gork and Mork, that 'almost' covers more than enough nasty examples to give any ruler cause for concern, and motivation to seek esoteric answers - even if their societal rules prevent them from saying so outright.
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DragonParadox said:
Er... guys, we have Disdain for Sigmar, I really really do not think we should try to butter those people up

On the matter of protecting Heidi, I know it is tempting to stonewall Alric and company, but do you know who it is going to look really strange to? Regimand. I think Mathilde's father figure knows her well enough to have an inkling that she does not like Sigmar or Templars, so why is she giving them the credit, hmm...?

Grey Wzards naturally pick at riddles, like if we had just told him 'it's important' but did not at the start.
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Because for all that Mathilda doesn't like Sigmar, that didn't stop her from approching and asking them for help in this regard. The original request from Mira was also just about hindering Alric, not give credit to Mira/someone else. So in terms of just shutting down Alric utterly the Sigmar is generally the best choice for Mathilda. Mathilda may not like the Templars, doesn't mean she won't make use of them if it suits her purpose(like it did earlier)
 
Sa'kage said:
Because for all that Mathilda doesn't like Sigmar, that didn't stop her from approching and asking them for help in this regard. The original request from Mira was also just about hindering Alric, not give credit to Mira/someone else. So in terms of just shutting down Alric utterly the Sigmar is generally the best choice for Mathilda. Mathilda may not like the Templars, doesn't mean she won't make use of them if it suits her purpose(like it did earlier)
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She did indeed approach them and the encounter was like pulling teeth on her part.

When it comes to Heidi being discovered I am more worried about the man who was in on the investigation and who known Mathilde better than anyone else alive than about the wizard we stonewalled all the way through.
 
DragonParadox said:
She did indeed approach them and the encounter was like pulling teeth on her part.

When it comes to Heidi being discovered I am more worried about the man who was in on the investigation and who known Mathilde better than anyone else alive than about the wizard we stonewalled all the way through.
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Oh, um. Let me try and explain clearer. Mathilda implied to Regimand her goal here was to hinder Alric in some manner. She generally left it up to intrepidation right? Which mean as far as Regimand can assume that is Mathilda's goal(as the idea of protecting the randald-backed empresses true idenity would be a stretch to figure out)

So, in the case that Mathilda choses to go with Sigmar, it would leave the impression that the favor between Mathilda and Mira was about utterly shutting down Alric in such a manner that he can't really do anything at this point. Templers aren't the overly familiar with Wizards, let alone the Man who caused the thousands nights.

So Regimand would most likely assume the goal is just shutting down Alric. Mathilda may not like Templers but she is generally faithfull to deals she makes(Most likely more so after being with dwarfs for so long), so if that was the "deal" she made with Mira, Mathilda would push it onto the Templars, even if Mathilda herself might be unhappy about it.

(Not to mention, this way. Mathilda can make Alric's being a bother the templars problem, making both of those parties annoyed. Instead of someone Mathilda actually likes.)
 
Sa'kage said:
I feel like voting Order of light might be kinda risky? Not in the sense of "oh no Alric found us out", but rather, the soft schism within the light order.

Before this, Mira and Alric have essentially just been trading the post like they are playing hot potato, and while they are working against each other, it's generally been contained within the order. Ergo, Mathilda having no idea how bad it was, before she picked up light mages and stuff.

And if we give credit to Mira, that means Alric will know he lost his "grand deed" to Mira's actions. It might cause both, and force both Alric and Mira to do harder actions against each other in order to keep and obtain the seat of leadership.

Way back when we talked with Mira, the sabotage options also only said to hinder Alric, not give credit to Mira, so this might been something Mira herself thought about, and figured was too risky/increased the stakes of the patriarch far too much.

As it stands, if someone else were to gain credit, Alric might have suspicious about Mira's involvment, but that isn't the same as confirmation. The soft schism within the light order is hidden for now, but if this becomes more public, more observable by everyone else...It might have some bad consquences.
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@Sa'kage I completely agree and was trying to make this point earlier in the thread.
BrewCrew said:
Just wanted to add a little more detail to this, here is the favor we could have agreed to for Mira:
Note that it is agreeing to sabotage Alric. There is nothing about giving her the credit for the sabotage. While it would probably boost her position in the short term it might also make her look petty and ruthless which might not be the look she is going for. She would probably still be grateful for the credit but it might set up more of a schism in the Light Order if it is public that she is interfering versus Alric's plans just failing because some witch hunters found a chaos cultist.
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Sa'kage said:
Oh, um. Let me try and explain clearer. Mathilda implied to Regimand her goal here was to hinder Alric in some manner. She generally left it up to intrepidation right? Which mean as far as Regimand can assume that is Mathilda's goal(as the idea of protecting the randald-backed empresses true idenity would be a stretch to figure out)

So, in the case that Mathilda choses to go with Sigmar, it would leave the impression that the favor between Mathilda and Mira was about utterly shutting down Alric in such a manner that he can't really do anything at this point. Templers aren't the overly familiar with Wizards, let alone the Man who caused the thousands nights.

So Regimand would most likely assume the goal is just shutting down Alric. Mathilda may not like Templers but she is generally faithfull to deals she makes(Most likely more so after being with dwarfs for so long), so if that was the "deal" she made with Mira, Mathilda would push it onto the Templars, even if Mathilda herself might be unhappy about it.

(Not to mention, this way. Mathilda can make Alric's being a bother the templars problem, making both of those parties annoyed. Instead of someone Mathilda actually likes.)
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I do not see how choosing the Templars upstage him more, by definition he is already shut down as none of the people involved are named Alric, it is actual text 'Alric upstaged' is one of the things Mathilde checks off in her head. It does not matter if the credit goes to the emperor's pet canary for those purposes. Now you could make the case that Mathilde is afraid of what Alric will do if he knows Mathilde was involved in the sabotage, buthave we been acting that scared really... or is there something more she might want to hide?

He does not have to guess the truth, he does not have to come close to the truth, but if he thinks it is some left over affair from Stirland, as indeed letting the witch hunters have the credit in spite of her dislike of them, might imply... well he is already far too close for comfort.
 
I think the Longshanks is the best choice from a "deny Alric as much credit as possible" perspective. Its basically, "while you fucked around and let one of your charges get ganked the local witch hunters did their goddamn job".
 
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