Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Omegahugger
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You know, reading the Liber Mortis confers a +20 on all rolls for leading Undead in battle against Skaven, so if we get our hands on a printing press there's a third option.
Pretty sure we can all agree that unleashing a zombie apocalypse to prevent having your internet search history publicly known is a justified move.
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I don't think Strategy and Tactics stack on top of each other because I believe they're used in different circumstances. Don't ask me what the circumstances are. I still can't remember the difference between the two despite it being pointed out to me before.
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Strategy is the "BIG PLAN" Tactics are steps in it. But its a bit wishy-washy.
Anyway, Grey Apprentices writing bad fanfiction about Mathilde when?
Omegahugger
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Both traits lists them giving "+5 to command (...) while fighting or leading X armies", so I'd assume they stack.
IIRC, they were written at the same time, so if they referred to different types of command I'd assume it'd be written in the description.
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Remember when I asked about Dreng's comment on Snorri?
Regardless, I think Snorri would actually be a good target for a Social action. Maybe not right now, but soon-ish, maybe? It would be a great way to have another glimpse at the Karak Vlag situation, but from a different angle. Like, are the Redbeards officially members now, yet still aren't allowed in deeper than a certain extent? What do rangery rangers like them think of all the weird new ways of doing things that Vlag youth has adopted? Do they find themselves defending the Vlagites in front of more traditional Dwarves in Kadrin?
Well, maybe once we socialed all the important Waystone Project participants and did one or two of the backlog socials.
Would it be fair to say that Dreng's opinion on Snorri can be applied to all the Redbeards and that Snorri is just one of the most prominent members or is Snorri "overly rangery" even in comparison to his own ranger clanmates?
Regardless, I think Snorri would actually be a good target for a Social action. Maybe not right now, but soon-ish, maybe? It would be a great way to have another glimpse at the Karak Vlag situation, but from a different angle. Like, are the Redbeards officially members now, yet still aren't allowed in deeper than a certain extent? What do rangery rangers like them think of all the weird new ways of doing things that Vlag youth has adopted? Do they find themselves defending the Vlagites in front of more traditional Dwarves in Kadrin?
Well, maybe once we socialed all the important Waystone Project participants and did one or two of the backlog socials.
They clearly say that one applies while doing strategy while the other applies while doing tactics.
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K von Carstein
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Strategy is deciding where to attack and with what forces.
Tactics is what to do with those forces on the battlefield.
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If it helps, strategy is your overall plan of action, like 'defense in depth.' Tactics are individual components that you use to implement that plan, like holding spears to deter cavalry, and building a trench so you don't get hit by arrows, and having a wall behind the trench, and artillery on the wall to provide covering fire, etc.
In this context the Strategy trait would be involved with rolls in identifying what the army's overall plans and goals are, while the Tactics trait would be involved in more individualized rolls and details.
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Look at it this way- you've been playing Total Warhammer, yeah?
Tactics is what you do when you're in a battle, facing an enemy army. Strategy is what you do with your army when it's not in a battle.
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Omegahugger
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No they don't? I mean, the regular, unspecified Strategy trait gives us a flat +1 Martial all the time, since knowing about how to strategy also confers useful information in other Martial circumstances.
So if a Trait is limited to only give bonii to command under certain circumstances, I'd expect the text to say that like it does with Warrior of Fog.
EDIT: And stacking traits do exist, when dispelling Necromancy, Mathilde benefits from both Dhar Insight and Necromantic Insight for a total of +30
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I imagine Queekish is one of her favourites, being a nigh-impregnable cypher to anyone outside the Grey Collage.
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I don't think they stack, because they categorize different things. Otherwise, we would've seen them stack already. From the Battle of the Caldera:
The first roll involves Mathilde's overall plan of action against a Skaven commander's plan of action. Mathilde's goal is to take the Under-Citadel, and the Skaven commander wants to defend it. That's strategy.
The second roll involves the Rangers scouting the Under-Caldera, and while they're there Mathilde orders them to cut off the flow of information between Under-Karag-Yar and Under-Caldera. That's tactics.
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Strategy - Skaven: You know the strategies of the ratmen. +5 to command and planning rolls while fighting or leading Skaven armies.
Tactics - Skaven: You know the tactics of the ratmen. +5 to command and reading the battlefield while fighting or leading Skaven units.
I know that traits can stack. But the only way to think that those two are essentially the same is by not only not knowing the difference in meaning between the words "strategies" and "tactics", but also thinking that Boney is a weirdo that gives the same trait twice from exactly the same source (we got both of those and both of the Undead versions from the Liber Mortis) while using synonyms for little reason.
To me it's clear as day when one applies and when the other does. As is the reason for why we have advanced in Empire, Knights and Wizards Strategy, but only in Wizard Tactics. Though I'm not quite sure why we haven't gotten a single XP point in Dwarven Tactics or why Wizard Strategy is still at 1/3 given our experience in leading Wizards. Eh, maybe three serious battles isn't quite enough for more. And I'm pretty sure Boney already gave a sensible reason and I just forgot it.
Actually, just look at an actual use case.
Here we get only the strategy bonus because we are leading armies from the back.
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These were potential shinies. Why should Boney give us two identical Orc traits for +5 each instead of one +10 trait. What is Boney trying to do here in your opinion.
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Eshin spy "These notes are in Queekish must be a trick-trap."
Yeah, cutting him in two is at least not readily survivable and easy to check.
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Click 'Auto-resolve' so I can get back to the interesting part?
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As much as l love tactics as much as I do big strategy, I too always auto resolve. Total War just never actually felt like I was in command, more some angry instantaneous goddess randomly shoving people around without actually managing to make her vision happen either.
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I played Rome Total War, and the battles are my favourite part. I love the satisfaction of a cavalry charge crashing into the back of an enemy, or pursuing him when he flees.