Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Seems sensible to me. Often those last few percents are just a chore to get a ultimately meaningless number.
No, to call people out, you'd talk about how Mathilde has a huge pile of paper topics and artifacts, yet keeps collecting more, thinking she'll totally
And i'll repeat over and over again that BM is well worth the risk to me, and fear of 'rock falls, the quest ends' is just a protenatly price for late-game shines.I'm suddenly very grateful Mathilde never kept that Brass Orb.
I have to object, on the grounds that Steed of Shadows is the most lackluster Battle Magic spell Mathilde could learn. It may be a flying horsey, but the spell's effect is to move someone else across a battlefield. Basically a way to use Smoke and Mirrors on someone who isn't the Battlemage. Its use case is if Mathilde were to join a truly large army group and there was a hero unit we wanted to speed from one front to another. For moving Mathilde herself around, it's worse in almost every way (besides horsey-ness) than Smoke and Mirrors. Of all the spells to risk Mathilde's death to try and learn, it might be the worst.
More generally, given the way traits work it's been speculated that most Battle Mages and many Lord Magisters have some kind of trait or traits to make learning/casting some Battle Magics less dangerous than it is for normal Magisters. For Mathilde, that would be her Staff of Mistery, and note how limiting that trait is. Mathilde had to invent her own Battle Magic spell for it to apply to! Trying to learn any old Battle Magic whenever just isn't wise unless Mathilde gains a relevant trait or other method of cutting down the risks (and super-high learning DCs). Edit: It would be far safer and easier to try to invent/modify a non-BM flying horsey spell rather than learn the BM from the list.
I hate to beat on the same drum over and over again, but we've been explicitly told the risks of just trying to learn Battle Magic include Mathilde dying and the quest ending. And yet people often casually talk about learning Battle Magic spells as if the risks aren't worth worrying about and success were garunteed. I'm honestly afraid that if I don't continually annoy the thread like this, eventually we're going to vote to learn a risky BM and we might have the quest end right then and there.
Judging by our history of AP expenditure, Mathilde isn't a completionist. She'd be the kind of gamer who'll sometimes get 96% completion in a game she really loves before getting tired of it, and while she'll often think she should go back and get 100% in that game she's got an entire pile of other 96% complete games she'll never completely finish.
she already did (the staff)
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Arcane Khazalid is that, but for the dwarves. Textual study isn't really a factor, it's about gathering more puzzle pieces for the concept of magic = language.
... No? Dwarfs don't shape any magic by sound at all, they put it in runes and arcane khazalid will not allow us to read runes...
If we don't learn BM we can't develop traits for BM; since most traits reflect training or experience.
Mopman43
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It's more about having a trait that happens to affect BM.
The staff doesn't inherently have anything to do with Battlemagic, it's just that mist/fog based BM falls under it's umbrella.
So if we want to be able to cast Pit of Shades casually, we need to delve deeply on a personal level into the Shadow Realm, as one example.
So what I'm getting here is that we should get started on Mist Meteor, Mist Disintegration and Mist Blade Barrier?
Edit: Sneak into the elementalist school, since we should probably do that for the Waystone Project anyways, and learn to summon a Mist Elemental.
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pucflek
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We do have the flask which is beeeg, but i would prefer being able to cast something in our native lore too.
On a slightly more serious note, one spell that we could probably swing between the conceptual nature of being lost in fog and the knowledge of liminal realms is Maze.
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Gotta get working on that Acid Fog spell version of burning shadows that's in the approved spells list. It'd probably need some kind of scaling upward to make it a BATTLE MAGIC tier spell though haha.
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I'm not saying they shape magic with sound, I'm saying there is a relationship between language and magic, and so far Mathilde only has the bits from Teclisian theory. And we know there is some form of relation for Khazalid, given the following:
Which wouldn't be a bad idea since we do need to say something mysterious and profound to future LMs.
You can't really crack open Dreng's head and examine the exact combination of impressions and analyses and biases that led him to that opinion on Snorri, but it is plausible that it might have come more from bias against the reputation of the Redbeards than anything about Snorri as an individual.
SuperSonicSound
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Arcane Khazalid isn't just a written language it's a spoken language and it's literally how Dwarven runesmiths think and talk about well Runic magic and it's literally a requirement for their runic art, Obviously Mathilde wont actually learn to Runesmith that's not on the cards but that's not the point.
pucflek
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You know @Zero Gravitas is right. I really hope there isn't new Grey LM soon, because i have no idea what would Mathilde say.
NuclearConsensus
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There were a lot of suggestions back when the promotion was first revealed by Boney. Not to toot my own horn, but I believe mine proved somewhat popular.
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I mean, we could if we weren't such cowards
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Well, Kupfer already covered the Shadow aspect, but there wasn't a similar line about Fog, which is the side of it that Mathilde resonates with. Therefore, something along the lines of:
"It is the Fog," Mathilde intones, "that shelters those who would dance within its depths unseen."
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Risk is not equally proportional to reward. Just because learning a Battle Magic spell is one of the riskiest endeavors Mathilde can do (especially with no prep) doesn't mean the reward will be worth that risk.
Melkoth's Mystifying Miasma was worth learning because we both had the staff and hired Melkoth to teach it to us, and the staff makes casting it in battle (like we did during the Expedition) much safer to do. IIRC we rather quickly learned the spell after we made the staff, too. If we find or gain something similar that makes a listed BM both safer to learn and cast, we'll likely go for that BM as well. But until that happens, it's safer to create our own mist-themed BM than it is to learn one off the standard spellbook.
Edit: Mathilde should say something clever about swords:
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