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In terms of people who might have actually already read them… Deathofrats, maybe?
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Speaking of prophecies, page 76 of Realms of Sorcery has this:
"Indeed the Bright Order has a long outstanding prophecy of a female Battle Wizard without peer and is eagerly awaiting her arrival."
I don't know if this prophecy is present in any book that isn't Realms of Sorcery, and most likely this is just one of those things that had no follow up, probably because most GW writers either didn't know or didn't care to explore it. Personally I find it an interesting concept to explore a character who would have to face pressure to live up to some weird vague prophecy that they probably don't have anything to do with. I'm not a big proponent on following through with prophecies though, I tend to think they're bullshit by default. Or at least if they're followed through, then it's best done so in a nonstandard way to make it more interesting instead of having it be straightforward. Vague prophecies are the worst though.
"Indeed the Bright Order has a long outstanding prophecy of a female Battle Wizard without peer and is eagerly awaiting her arrival."
I don't know if this prophecy is present in any book that isn't Realms of Sorcery, and most likely this is just one of those things that had no follow up, probably because most GW writers either didn't know or didn't care to explore it. Personally I find it an interesting concept to explore a character who would have to face pressure to live up to some weird vague prophecy that they probably don't have anything to do with. I'm not a big proponent on following through with prophecies though, I tend to think they're bullshit by default. Or at least if they're followed through, then it's best done so in a nonstandard way to make it more interesting instead of having it be straightforward. Vague prophecies are the worst though.
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Or it got fullfilled already but nobody noticed?
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The nature of prophecies makes it very hard not to notice. Let's take the Battle Wizard prophecy. All Battle Wizards are heavily monitored and trapped in gilded cages, only let out on the battlefield when authorised. There is no realistic way a person can become a "Battle Wizard without peer" without someone noticing.
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I don't believe heavenly choirs come down if a prophecy gets fulfilled. IF the numbers of the Battle Mages goes down, a rather avarage Battle Wizard would be without a peer because there is nobody else at the moment.
Or a Magister with access to battle magic fulfills this in a distant place with a spectaculer showing and prompthly dies.
Or a Battlemage of collages shows a lot of promise in that she learns all in a record breaking speed but chokes on a chicken before her first deployement and Bright Collage covers it up out of embarrasment.
I am sure there is plenty of other technically fulfilling ways.
Now don't get me wrong I am not saying that is what happened but rather they would be fun to figure out. It is just another way to play with the concept of prophecies.
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Page 45 of the 6th Edition Dwarf Army book says this interesting tidbit about the Rune of Iron that I found fun:
"When iron is saturated with magic, it is known as lodestone. This rune focuses the magnetic properties of lodestone to create magical armor"
Either lodestone is magical in Warhammer, or at least it is considered to be so by the Dwarfs. For all they know, magnetism might as well be magic.
"When iron is saturated with magic, it is known as lodestone. This rune focuses the magnetic properties of lodestone to create magical armor"
Either lodestone is magical in Warhammer, or at least it is considered to be so by the Dwarfs. For all they know, magnetism might as well be magic.
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Well, the current leading theory on how lodestones become magnetized in nature is that they happen to be near to the magnetic field of a lightning strike. Since in Warhammer, lightning and storms would be concentrations of Azyr, perhaps it wouldn't be wholly inaccurate to make the observation that magnetism is magical in some way.
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Maybe that's part of how Azyr is associated with earth in the new Cathay lore
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What turn did we take out that necromancy college?
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So a fun trivia bit I just learned. If you've been in the Warhammer fandom for long enough, you've probably heard about people saying that Grimgor "kicks Archaon in the nuts" or whatever. This is most likely referring to Storm of Chaos, but the whole thing is apparently a funny misunderstanding that transformed in the retelling.
I believe the term that was used in the books was that Grimgor "nutted" Archaon, which people might have thought referred to.... the other nuts. But nutting someone is British slang for headbutting them.
So the whole nuts thing is an elaborate misunderstanding apparently.
I believe the term that was used in the books was that Grimgor "nutted" Archaon, which people might have thought referred to.... the other nuts. But nutting someone is British slang for headbutting them.
So the whole nuts thing is an elaborate misunderstanding apparently.
Spoilers for the endtimes as much as I hate it
Yeah if I remember correctly when grimgor was the incarnation of ghur he fought and beat archaon before grimgor spared him to say Grimgor is the best before archeon got up and killed him after empowering his sword to cut through grimgor's axe.
This and the toilet kill (for those of you who know) are some of the lamest ways for awesome characters to die.
Not to mention the cluster**** that was the elven civil war
Yeah if I remember correctly when grimgor was the incarnation of ghur he fought and beat archaon before grimgor spared him to say Grimgor is the best before archeon got up and killed him after empowering his sword to cut through grimgor's axe.
This and the toilet kill (for those of you who know) are some of the lamest ways for awesome characters to die.
Not to mention the cluster**** that was the elven civil war
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…GoT reference? Or something else?
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I read the section where Grimgor dies in End Times. Grimgor never beats Archaon and spares him, that happens in Storm of Chaos. In End Times the first and only time they fight Grimgor almost beats Archaon but Archaon unleashes U'Zhul and the boost lets him decapitate Grimgor.
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I mean the meme started, like most warhammer memes frankly, on 4chan in the wake of Dawn of War's success. I wouldn't put it past the people who spread it to full well know better but just be playing it up for effect.
I seem to recall we already talked about this and it was confirmed that the Bight Order has plenty of women among its wizards just like the others. That bit is part and parcel of 'the Colleges are confused by female students' which makes no sense given the nature and the perils of magic.
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We talked about the prevalence of female Wizards, but we never talked about the prophecy specifically. I think it's fine to have a prophecy about some unbelievably powerful female Battle Wizard, the implication isn't that it was necessarily the result of them being confused by woman. The implication is that they have a prophecy for a particularly amazing battle wizard, so "awaiting her arrival" could easily just mean that they get excited every time there is a female Battle Wizard and are disappointed each time because nobody can live up to the ridiculously high expectations that are brought up from a prophecy.
You could make a decent story out of the preconcieved notions and expectations of society and the pressures it can bring up on people and how discouraging it can be if you want. I personally think it's a decent plot hook, and doesn't need to carry the connotations of Bright Wizards not understanding women.
Oh fair enough, though I am not sure what there would be to enforce belief in this prophecy if it keeps failing. The Bright Order is one of the least mystical of the Eight Colleges.
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It could be less that it's failing and more that it's extremely subjective, and you could have camps of people who vigorously fight for whoever they deem to have been the Battle Wizard to have fulfilled the prophecy and those who are insistent that if you just wait long enough a better example will come who will surpass whoever is considered to have fulfilled it, or entire arguments about what the criteria for "without peer" can mean. Does it mean without peer in every area of Battle Magic? Does it mean without peer in a particular specialisation? The vagueness gives room for interpretation.
I mean sure they could do that, but why are they so invested in this prophecy, why do they trust it enough to have political/ideological factions based on it? You are describing faith in this random prophecy in what is otherwise one of the most secular and least mystical of the Colleges of Magic, their first patriarch was a former Greatsword.
It just does not seem to fit the rest of the puzzle, especially as obsessing over the future isn't even what their magic inclines them towards, they are more like burning passion kept in check with solid discipline.
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They're humans practicing magic, an inherently mystical thing. People can have faith in random prophecies just as they can have faith in the fact that their magic won't turn them into gibbering chaos spawn or send them into the Chaos Realms. I can attest that people who are confined in one place for most of the time and only released in times of battle to cast magic that will most likely kill them if they make a single mistake will find all kinds of bizarre things to fill their free time.
It's really not that hard to justify it. If it doesn't make sense to you, ok sure. I think it's interesting and would find making a story with the themes an interesting exploration. I don't need to convince you of that cus that's just my opinion.
I am not saying you do have to convince me, just pointing out the reasons why I am not convinced.
Also I am pretty sure the 'not turning into chaos spawn' thing is more self confidence that faith. They know all magic is born of chaos and it is only their own skill and will standing between them and damnation.
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People can be faithful and/or supersitious without following a religion or even beliving in the divine.