Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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Reroll to wound. Also only useable on a single model, and it didn't work on magic weapons. And Soulfire was a 5" template that only damaged Daemons and Undead. Warrior priests were not great in 6th.
The Coin can't be changed on the fly, it's set to its purpose for a turn at a time.
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Honestly even separate from the slight possibility that Atharti and Hekarti are the goddesses in question, the mere thought has driven me to NEED to know "wait if Hekarti and Atharti are supposed to be sisters surely the elves have some idea about who the parents are supposed to be?"
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Khaine and Anath Raema are also siblings. They don't necessarily need to know the parents to know that.
That seems to say that either the god is declared to not be a new god after all, but instead an existing god in a new guise, and so assimilated into an existing Cult, or they're purged.
It's not an automatic purge, they get a chance to fall into line, but if they don't…
Do you have a citation for this?
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I didn't mean to say that they need to know, but I expect there to be SOME official answer even if that answer is "we don't know for this particular reason."
It's your quote I'm interpreting, but Tome of Salvation says:
The practise of forbidden worship is an act punishable by death by burning at the stake. Those who strive to cleanse the Empire of heretics make no distinction between cultists participating in harmless but forbidden rites to minor gods and zealots who sacrifice innocents upon the altars of the Ruinous Powers.
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However, witch hunters cling to a simple argument. They state that the Empire's cults define what are and what are not the proper methods of showing reverence to the Gods. And because these institutions are the mortal representations of divine will, it follows that the truth has been revealed unto them. Those who do not agree with the truth upheld by the sanctioned cults are corruptions, and therefore, like any mutation, they must be excised.
While this is clearly an oversimplification, likely used to appease the underused sense that witch hunters have in place of consciences, there is some validity and benevolent purpose to the argument. Chaos Gods are many-headed beasts, and they may take on countless guises, each of which is worshipped in a drastically different manner. Some aspects are obvious masks, whereas others are far subtler. Some of these fiends even masquerade as true Gods of the Empire to lure worshippers in or to mask their rites. This is why the priests must shepherd mortals onto the proper course, and why those who would deceive or diminish the authority of the rightful cults must be stopped.
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However, witch hunters cling to a simple argument. They state that the Empire's cults define what are and what are not the proper methods of showing reverence to the Gods. And because these institutions are the mortal representations of divine will, it follows that the truth has been revealed unto them. Those who do not agree with the truth upheld by the sanctioned cults are corruptions, and therefore, like any mutation, they must be excised.
While this is clearly an oversimplification, likely used to appease the underused sense that witch hunters have in place of consciences, there is some validity and benevolent purpose to the argument. Chaos Gods are many-headed beasts, and they may take on countless guises, each of which is worshipped in a drastically different manner. Some aspects are obvious masks, whereas others are far subtler. Some of these fiends even masquerade as true Gods of the Empire to lure worshippers in or to mask their rites. This is why the priests must shepherd mortals onto the proper course, and why those who would deceive or diminish the authority of the rightful cults must be stopped.
The sanctioned cults/Empire's Cults are explicitly those white listed by the state, particularly the nine major cults.
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I sped through the Minor Dieties section of Tome of Salvation and only got the stuff you quoted. There is nothing that says Minor Dieties get subsumed or purged by larger cults, simply that they are "claimed" by the larger cults usually. But there are so many of them that the Major Cults tend to miss them often.
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Well, Ranald worshippers don't usually all implicitly trust each other, do they? I was thinking of using it to approach Ranaldite Hedgewise, but I guess that won't actually do anything?
As is, I struggle a bit on how we are supposed to use this new Face. We'd have to equip it for a whole turn, sacrificing the +20 and the other three bonuses on the off chance of stumbling across worshippers of two unknown female deities.
Like, right now all I can think of doing is equipping it on an otherwise low risk turn in which we spend time traveling through random cities and socializing with Heidi.
Raiseth
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Sorry for quoting your post from almost a year ago, Redshirt Army, but I think I actually figured out the one last big job I want Mathilde to do before going into retirement.
Will be pretty symbolic and shit. Our first big job was murdering Castle Drakenhof, so obviously our last big job should involve using all our accumulated expertise and power to murder a mountain.
Uzkulak deserves it, frankly.
You're quoting a section talking about the worship of beings like Khaine and Stromfels. The phrase 'proper methods of showing reverence to the Gods' means not doing human sacrifice.
My idea is that we need to guess who the twins are and then gently poke them coin in hand. We have no assurance Heidi will interact with a member of the cult either. For now my only guess is the dark elf magic/pleasure twins and my idea is to buy all the books on them from the Eonir to see if there is any hint of it.
The first section of that chapter says:
Whilst a good many of these shadowy groups pay homage to the Ruinous Powers, this is not always the case. Gods and their cults find themselves outlawed for any number of reasons, from distasteful practises and archaic or barbaric beliefs to the taint of Chaos, or even just undesirable political leanings. Many honest and forthright cultists have been branded heretics because they crossed the dogma or interfered with the political machinations of a ranking priest.
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The practise of forbidden worship is an act punishable by death by burning at the stake. Those who strive to cleanse the Empire
of heretics make no distinction between cultists participating in harmless but forbidden rites to minor gods and zealots who sacrifice innocents upon the altars of the Ruinous Powers.
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Whelp, gosh darn, I am really sad to never see what would have come from the Truth option. 
Stealing fire from the gods? Maybe another time.
Going to keep voting all the AP on Research 😎
It is always a pleasure to read how you portray worldbuilding and the metaphysics glimpsed as you try and make sense of Warhammer BoneyM.
Stealing fire from the gods? Maybe another time.Going to keep voting all the AP on Research 😎
It is always a pleasure to read how you portray worldbuilding and the metaphysics glimpsed as you try and make sense of Warhammer BoneyM.
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- Canada
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So, theory (forgive me if someone has already posted it, fast thread):
Empress Heidi is the daughter that takes after Ranald.
Empress Heidi is the daughter that takes after Ranald.
Why would the daughter of two major gods be a mortal? I mean I guess she would have incarnated, but again why would she need to be made immortal by her mother? Unless you think she is lying about that I guess but that begs the question of why she would cast from the magic of her father and not her own?
So figure out who the unknown female deities are.
"The practise of forbidden worship is an act punishable by death by burning at the stake. Those who strive to cleanse the Empire of heretics make no distinction between cultists participating in harmless but forbidden rites to minor gods and zealots who sacrifice innocents upon the altars of the Ruinous Powers."
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This seems to me to be the single deepest secret Ranald is keeping - I'd be shocked if It *wasn't* wrapped in layer on layer of lies.
I'm basing this on two very simple things: one, when Ranald came into that tremendous bounty of orcy power, he chose to let it all ride - on Heidi.
Two, Heidi speaks - not vaguely communicates, *speaks* with Ranald. That says to me she's far, far closer to him than we are, and again, we stole a chunk of another god for him.
Even if she isn't, I bet Heidi is the place to start looking.
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...we shared with Ranald something important and sensitive, something that put us in a position of vulnerability, and he shared likewise with us. Color me pleased.
This definitely seems like a strong contender. During purchase round I definitely advocate tracking down information about Haletha and the elf goddesses people have mentioned.
- Which just proves that she is favored. If being favored is all it took to prove daughter, than one might as well argue that Mathilde is his daughter, he took on Khorne for her
- High ranking priests speaking to their gods is normal, now it is a question of is you trust them to not be crazy, but the claim is hardly outlandish.
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Boney, what have I told you about using your readers' heartstrings as a harp? We cannot deflect feels of that magnitude!
Mechanically, not too big a deal. We already had a lot of allies and influence.
But narratively? Oh my gods that has implications. Juicy, juicy worldbuilding and characterisation implications.
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