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The way I read that section on forbidden cults is that whenever a new cult, god, or goddess gets found, the witchunters go round as soon as they have the time to check whether they're secretly a proscribed cult or doing proscribed cult things. If they are, then they burn the heretics. If they're not, they leave them be and pass on the message that they're on the up-and-up. The exact position the new cult has in relation to the rest of the Empire pantheon gets hashed out later, and is the business of the priests and of politics.
 
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(I'll catch up later, but that's really interesting and I think literally no one expected this so props to that.)
 
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"The practise of forbidden worship is an act punishable by death by burning at the stake. Those who strive to cleanse the Empire of heretics make no distinction between cultists participating in harmless but forbidden rites to minor gods and zealots who sacrifice innocents upon the altars of the Ruinous Powers."

I'll drop this now as it's going to get circular, but it comes down to whether things are by default forbidden unless explicitly approved or the other way around, and this section doesn't explicitly specify.
 
If I read it right, Soulfire got upgraded in 8th to be a 4 Strength hit against anything, upgraded to 5 against D&U?
It did, although it did get downgraded from 5" blast centered on the priest to "models in base contact" with the priest. As Codex noted, it did give the Priest's unit Flaming Attacks though.
 
Delurking to give my take on our friend's kids. Hetharti and Atharti have been suggested, but what came to my mind upon reading the update was different. By now several different posters mentioned Halétha, and I think she really is quite likely. Consider:

Fact: No known myth in the old world tells of Ranald or Shallya having daugthers.
Ergo: One might expect any such daughters to be minor goddesses.
Fact: The hedgefolk are divided into several groups, divided by geography and religion. We know the religions of three of those groups, who worship Ranald, Verena, and a minor goddess called Halétha.
Theory: Ranald's daughters are patron goddesses of the hedgefolk, one of which is erroneously worshipped as Verena, her maternal grandmother.
Question: If so, is one of the trickster's daughters intentionally posing as Verena?
Question: If so, is she playing a trick on her followers, or are her followers playing a trick on outsiders?
Experiment: Set the coin to The Father face, and take an action to attempt to bring the hedgefolk into the waystone project, which we wanted to do anyway. For extra credit, take an action integrating ourselves with house Tindomiel on the same turn, which will let us test the second theory as well.

Alternatively:
Theory: Halétha is a patron goddess of (some of the) hedgefolk, while other hedgefolk are sponsored by her father and her grandmother. The second twin is unrelated to the hedgefolk.
Fact: There is a minor goddess of fertility called Haleth, which sounds suspiciously similar to Halétha (I'm basing this on the wiki, no idea if this is canon to the quest).
Theory: Halétha is the twin that takes after Ranald, and her sister Haleth takes after Shallya.
Experiment: As before, but also pay a visit to a shrine to Haleth or something. Honestly not something I suggest we spend AP on - I say we start with Halétha, and if that turns out to be correct we can see about Haleth.
 
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Delurking to give my take on our friend's kids. Hetharti and Atharti have been suggested, but what came to my mind upon reading the update was different. By now several different posters mentioned Halétha, and I think she really is quite likely. Consider:

Fact: No known myth in the old world tells of Ranald or Shallya having daugthers.
Ergo: One might expect any such daughters to be minor goddesses.
Fact: The hedgefolk are divided into several groups, divided by geography and religion. We know the religions of three of those groups, who worship Ranald, Verena, and a minor goddess called Halétha.
Theory: Ranald's daughters are patron goddesses of the hedgefolk, one of which is erroneously worshipped as Verena, her maternal grandmother.
Question: If so, is one of the trickster's daughters intentionally posing as Verena?
Question: If so, is she playing a trick on her followers, or are her followers playing a trick on outsiders?
Experiment: Set the coin to The Father face, and take an action to attempt to bring the hedgefolk into the waystone project, which we wanted to do anyway. For extra credit, take an action integrating ourselves with house Tindomiel on the same turn, which will let us test the second theory as well.

Alternatively:
Theory: Halétha is a patron goddess of (some of the) hedgefolk, while other hedgefolk are sponsered by her father and her grandmother. The second twin is unrelated to the hedgefolk.
Fact: There is a minor goddess of fertility called Haleth, which sounds suspiciously similar to Halétha (I'm basing this on the wiki, no idea if this is canon to the quest).
Theory: Halétha is the twin that takes after Ranald, and her sister Haleth takes after Shallya.
Experiment: As before, but also pay a visit to a shrine to Haleth or something. Honestly not something I suggest we spend AP on - I say we start with Halétha, and if that turns out to be correct we can see about Haleth.

It should be noted that this is not exclusive with the elf theory. In fact if and when we ever use the father we should do as many twin hunting actions as we can in order to maximise its use.

Right now we need Theories, then we need some way to check the theories preferably in a way that does not cost AP, like buying books and if it it as the very least not disproved approach all of them at once
 
Fact: There is a minor goddess of fertility called Haleth, which sounds suspiciously similar to Halétha (I'm basing this on the wiki, no idea if this is canon to the quest).

Haleth is, IIRC, an aspect of Rhya as a Goddess of Hunting, worshiped in the northern Empire. Dyrath is an aspect of Rhya as a fertility goddess worshipped in rural Reikland.
 
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Well, it's over, I guess.

From an In-narrative perspective, I'm, well not happy, exactly, but it's satisfying enough; Ranald feels bad about shutting down something extremely important and repays that trust by letting Matty in on something equally important, and closer to heart.

Out-of-narrative… I'll get over it eventually.
 
On a different note, I really don't think we should try to recruit the Hedgewise. They actually are a banned organisation/practice in the Empire by my understanding.

The Grey College may have a secret understanding with the Hedgewise (or one or more group of them?), but that doesn't mean we can publicly associate with them. Particularly as I think several of the Cults probably retain their historical animosity for them, and might well object if they learn about it - which they may if we recruit other Imperial institutions, including other Colleges which have their own connections and alliances with the Cults.

I'm not sure it applies here, but I think Shades of the Empire says that the (presumably excluding the Grey) Magisters of the Colleges actively hunt down and persecute Hedgefolk as well, which is why their situation has deteriorated further since the Colleges were founded.
 
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I'm rather tired of looking for it, so I'm just gonna ask

Have we researched anything about that Ghyran Acorn we bought in Uzkulak?
 
I expected something interesting to come out of the Faith option, and that was still way beyond my expectations. The lore implications of Ranald having secret kids is really, really cool, and the narrative and character implications of Ranald trusting Mathilde enough to reveal that information is heartwarming. I'm looking forward to people who know Warhammer lore better than me figuring out who the most likely options are, a process that seems to have already started.
 
It's always upsetting when after an update where you get nice stuff, a good portion of posts in response to it are in the line of 'ughh I didn't get what I wanted', 'ughh if only my chosen vote had won instead' and 'sighhh ughhh whatever'.
 
I'm rather tired of looking for it, so I'm just gonna ask

Have we researched anything about that Ghyran Acorn we bought in Uzkulak?
Not yet. We haven't had much time for personal research -- over the last two turns, we have used exactly one action on a personal research item. We could give the seed over to WEBMAT to study, but probably it makes the most sense to use a personal action to study it with Panoramia instead, since, well, it's full of Ghyran.
 
On a different note, I really don't think we should try to recruit the Hedgewise. They actually are a banned organisation/practice in the Empire by my understanding.

The Grey College may have a secret understanding with the Hedgewise (or one or more group of them?), but that doesn't mean we can publicly associate with them. Particularly as I think several of the Cults probably retain their historical animosity for them, and might well object if they learn about it - which they may if we recruit other Imperial institutions, including other Colleges which have their own connections and alliances with the Cults.

I'm not sure it applies here, but I think Shades of the Empire says that the (presumably excluding the Grey) Magisters of the Colleges actively hunt down and persecute Hedgefolk as well, which is why their situation has deteriorated further since the Colleges were founded.
I trust Mathilde to keep hedgewise involvement secret from those who shouldn't know. We already have a suggested cover story of assessing them for suitability to join the Grey order and the knowledge they bring can either be sold as a defector providing info from their previous group or just as Grey Order secrets.
 
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