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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Rafin said:
2. It kind of does need to happen, but doing it through Egrimm would be a clear and visible escalation of Mathilde's involvement in that conflict. That doesn't mean I'm necessarily against it, but it does bear mentioning IMO.

3. I want to contact one of the magic worshipping Houses sooner rather than later.
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We could use the EIC to spy on him.

You know, like a spy network….
 
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Codex said:
Matrilineal descent from Queen Maruviel of Avelorn, daughter of Morelion, first son of Aenarion and cousin to Yvraine, the Everqueen after Astraielle.
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Maruviel being the daughter of Morelion makes Yvraine her aunt, not her cousin.



Well, so far so not-on-fire-yet. Hopefully we can shore up the human side of the project soon.

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Boney said:
"If it comes to that, I can make it more trouble than it's worth to pull you away from the project. We've got one of the most prominent Runelords of the Karaz Ankor personally involved, as well as an Elven Archmage who was old when Sigmar was young. Nobody's going to want to uproot such a promising tree before it bears fruit."
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I see Mathilde has swapped which culture her metaphors emulate. If we were still in K8P, it probably would have been something like "No one wants to dismantle a mine sitting on well-surveyed land with a number of promising geological studies before it strikes sufficient ore to recoup losses". Rolls right off the tongue.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
We should talk to houses Marduk and Miriel before trying to jump into bed with them.

Let's please use the get to know someone action before trying to cut a deal with them!
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The Max action is the get to know them action. He would be asking for help setting up a workshop, at what point is that getting into bed with them? Is someone asking to browse your wares and check your catalogue of tools availble for sale asking for them to sleep with you? That's news to me.

Second, what kind of trader gets mad at you for trying to cut a deal with them on the first meeting. Their job is to cut a deal as soon as possible to undercut the competition, not smell the roses and get to know you like this is some sort of marriage interview. I assume part of the action is seeing if it's worth it to have a contract with them in the first place. We have six months to determine these things first before we cut a deal after all.
 
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Also, to prove a point, these are the actions involved with the Major Houses:
Boney said:
[ ] Attempt to bring a Major House or Ward into the Waystone Project (specify which)
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Boney said:
[ ] Spend time assisting or ingratiating yourself with someone else: specify who and how.
[ ] Spend time investigating a character without their knowledge: specify who.
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We have an option to bring a Major House into the project immediately, spend some time spying on someone, or ingratiate ourselves, possibly with a house.

There is no house exploration option that doesn't involve spying. We can attemt the Ingratiate ourself action with House Mardil, but there is one thing that they are likely to want. A trade deal. At the end of the day there is no "getting to know you" action with a trading house that doesn't involve spying (risky), or making a deal. Unless someone has a bright idea on how we can ingratiate ourselves to the trading house without cutting any deals and manage to finagle details out of them.

There are no actions for socialising on main turns. There are actions for attempting political maneuvering. If you want to get information you have to make a sacrifice or expend a resource.

EDIT: Changed Miriel to Mardil. Confusing names. Mardil is trading, Miriel is Vaul.
 
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Andres110 said:
Divided Loyalties is adhering to canon in making the Magister Patriarch of the Light Order a Tzeentchian.
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We don't really know that. Boney certainly won't be saying that out loud on the thread. I mean, it's a possibility, but he could be just a super desperate has-been.

It's the kind of situation that Chaos loves and he might have fallen, but it's not a guarantee.
 
Codex said:
We don't really know that. Boney certainly won't be saying that out loud on the thread. I mean, it's a possibility, but he could be just a super desperate has-been.

It's the kind of situation that Chaos loves and he might have fallen, but it's not a guarantee.
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Pretty sure it's a joke of "instead of canonical Tzeentchian Magister Patriarch Egrimm Horstman, we've got Tzeentchian Magister Patriarch Alric."
 
Should we send Johann to learn enchanting to Windherd with him? We need him for the project's full duration for his Kadoh contact, but there's only four artifacts we can research with him left. Max can act as our scribe or chase the dragon tale(Carroburg x2, Laurelorn, KaK, then Lothern or Bechafen), Egrimm we can do R&D with, but we lack something to keep Johann occupied long-term.
 
I was about to make the case that Light wizards should be the wizards least likely to fall, due to the whole purity/demon slaying thing they have, but on second thoughts that's not a particularly good argument considering... Well, everything.
 
NeonLights said:
Should we send Johann to learn enchanting to Windherd with him? We need him for the project's full duration for his Kadoh contact, but there's only four artifacts we can research with him left. Max can act as our scribe or chase the dragon tale(Carroburg x2, Laurelorn, KaK, then Lothern or Bechafen), Egrimm we can do R&D with, but we lack something to keep Johann occupied long-term.
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I don't know if Johann has the ability to be an enchanter. He has inflexible magic and is incapable of learning Dispel, so there's no guarantee that he can enchant. Also, he's an active guy who likes doing stuff, and enchanting involves a lot of sitting around making incremental progress and minute adjustments that wouldn't fit him.

Maybe I'm projecting too much ADHD onto him, but I know I would hate enchanting. I'm not so sure Johann would like it. His method of dealing with the Ratling Gun mechanisms was casting two spells on it, and when that didn't work he got stuck.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
We could use the EIC to spy on him.

You know, like a spy network….
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This probably falls under the same clause as when someone suggested snooping on the others at K8P; don't spy on your fellow magic users unless you have a really good reason to suspect them. And Alric's behaviour, while potentially a sign of bad things to come, isn't at that level.
 
Codex said:
I don't know if Johann has the ability to be an enchanter. He has inflexible magic and is incapable of learning Dispel, so there's no guarantee that he can enchant. Also, he's an active guy who likes doing stuff, and enchanting involves a lot of sitting around making incremental progress and minute adjustments that wouldn't fit him.

Maybe I'm projecting too much ADHD onto him, but I know I would hate enchanting. I'm not so sure Johann would like it. His method of dealing with the Ratling Gun mechanisms was casting two spells on it, and when that didn't work he got stuck.
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IIRC, Boney's mentioned that Johann wouldn't be able to enchant many spells, but he'd be really good at what he could do.
 
Codex said:
I don't know if Johann has the ability to be an enchanter. He has inflexible magic and is incapable of learning Dispel, so there's no guarantee that he can enchant. Also, he's an active guy who likes doing stuff, and enchanting involves a lot of sitting around making incremental progress and minute adjustments that wouldn't fit him.

Maybe I'm projecting too much ADHD onto him, but I know I would hate enchanting. I'm not so sure Johann would like it. His method of dealing with the Ratling Gun mechanisms was casting two spells on it, and when that didn't work he got stuck.
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It should be fine.
Boney said:
It would restrict his choice of spells and would probably mean he's limited to enchanting metallic items, or at least ones with metal worked into them somehow. But he would likely be very good at what that leaves him.
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NSMS said:
IIRC, Boney's mentioned that Johann wouldn't be able to enchant many spells, but he'd be really good at what he could do.
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The question is what spells he can enchant.

Also, another note. Remember how long it took Mathilde to get this good at enchanting. And she was naturally talented at enchanting because we took the Enchanter trait at character generation.

I'm not saying it's not worth it to have someone learn enchanting, I'm just saying it could very well take a long while for us to get usable results.
 
I thought that Johann's main role would be field work and adventuring to off-road Waystones and such.
 
Rafin said:
I thought that Johann's main role would be field work and adventuring to off-road Waystones and such.
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That would be my preference. We still don't have much field work to do though. We're still in the process of analysing our options and recruiting allies. The actual Waystones have yet to be touched and likely won't be for a little while.
 
Sorry, let me expand on that.

Spying on Alric is a bad idea, I can agree to that.

But spying on the province he is in, in general, is a good idea as we know something fishy is happening there.

And we might spot him, or at least the thing he finds interesting, while we are at it.

Don't spy at someone, spy around them.
 
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