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This is a distinction that makes perfect sense to a modern, western, culturally monotheist 'God moves in mysterious ways' perspective, but it really wouldn't to anyone from the Old World. The Gods of the setting might not physically manifest very often, but they are real, they are present, and they are powerful, and they're really not big on 'mysterious divinity'. When they have a strong opinion about something, they express themselves quite clearly and unmistakably. If these dragons are immortal like gods, incredibly powerful like gods, and widely revered like gods, you're gonna have to start delving into some pretty heavy metaphysics if you want to make a convincing argument that they aren't actually gods.

Could be that they know something about the taxonomy of "gods" in Warhammer, and refuse the title because they aren't, taxonomically, the same type of being as those commonly called "gods" even if their power can match them. They are Ancient beings with unique knowledge of the world, after all.
 
I'm not a god, and i am not answering your prayers.
Any requests are to be submitted to the imperial bureoucracy, in triplicate, during office hours.
 
Could be that the Celestial Emperor spent too much energy doing all kinds of crazy magic stuff like making an entire army of Terracotta soldiers, including a bunch of giants, and making a gigantic wall "imbued with much of his power" that stood for thousands of years, and he doesn't feel like expending more energy answering people's prayers so he just tells people to not expect divine intervention or something. Could explain why he disappeared with his wife for 400 years. Even immortal dragons need a break every once in a while.

I find the idea of him coming back from a honeymoon with his wife to his Empire in chaos and a monke in charge to be quite amusing.
 
The Cathay lore raises a valid question for us do... Could we get our lovely glowing Dragon-boi to learn how to turn into a Human?
 
Isn't Cython mostly made out of light? I'm fairly sure they can look like whatever they want to.

Then again, Hysh is the wind of revealed truths. Maybe Cython can only look like what they believe themselves to be.
 
So, wild conspiracy theory time, Dragomas is another of the Celestial Emperors' children that has stolen the shape of an Amber journeyman who wandered into Cathay and has come west to gather intelligence on the new and potentially dangerous magical institution one of the Ulthuani dragons' lackeys founded.
 
Isn't Cython mostly made out of light? I'm fairly sure they can look like whatever they want to.

Then again, Hysh is the wind of revealed truths. Maybe Cython can only look like what they believe themselves to be.

Depends on how transdraconic they're feeling. If their true self is their mind, then whatever physical form they choose to wear from moment to moment may be so trivial as to be trivial to change.
 
Depends on how transdraconic they're feeling. If their true self is their mind, then whatever physical form they choose to wear from moment to moment may be so trivial as to be trivial to change.
Alternatively their sense of identity could be tied to their form and hence even if they had the ability it still matters what form the mask takes so to speak. We don't really know enough to say yet.
 
I seem to remember Cython being vaguely condescending to Mathilde about her being human. And also being pretty vain about their appearance. So i doubt "become human" is on their list of priorities.
 
All this Cython discussion got me thinking.

I believe after recruiting Light and then Jade Colleges we should attempt to recruit Cython, which Boney confirmed is via "[ ] Attempt to bring a non-Order magical tradition into the Waystone Project (specify which)" action.

First, why?

Cython lived at the lei-line lined archipelago where the Arabyan Colleges equivalents are now, and then chose to live at the Karak Eight Peaks, which is a Waystone nexus, and then keenly felt Karak Eight Peaks Waystones reconnection even through its sleep, so it has relevant knowledge. Moreover, given that it's an Emperor dragon and lived for a very, very long time, it can be a source of historical and other Waystone and lei-line related knowledge we can't get anywhere else.

Cython also is a being of magic and so has insights no other possible project members --- not Runesmiths, not College and Elven mages --- have, and it is incredibly magically powerful, but also can be very precise with its magic, which could help greatly with any magical Waystone investigations / experiments.

Cython knows Khazalid and Eltharin, so no communication problems.

Another benefit of Cython associating with the project is the prestige it would bring, the project would have better image with it; why? Because draconic Fuck Yeah! energy is real. Compare Dragomas and hypothetically, Algard, as a Supreme Patriarch; no one would say that Supreme Patriarch Algard is undeserving of his position, or doesn't has required puissance, but one look at Dragomas and how he can turn into a dragon leaves no place for doubts at all. The same with Elspeth von Draken, her dragon companion greatly enhances her image as obvious Supreme Matriarch material. So, dragon associate? Instant attention and respect.

Second, possible obstacles.

As Boney said, Cython is about puzzles it likes and not about knowledge acquisition for knowledge's sake; but that's what Coin is for, if we could make Cython interested in the Waystone research as a puzzle, by properly enticing arguments and a little beneficial probability fudging, we would get a Hysh Emperor dragon with personal interest in the matter we are trying to investigate, and it would extremely helpful. When such a dragon is interested in something and politely asks you for a bit of info, you would need a very, very good reason to flat out deny its request.

Another possible obstacle is Cython's distaste for elfs, or water-folk, as it refers to them. But, as we've seen from Kazrik's investigation, it only ever attacked Naggarothi ships, so presumably it does not hold death-level grudges against Ulthuan, and with Laurelorn distancing itself from either, and with Cython's own interest in the matter and with us possibly doing some favors for it it will be manageable; in any rare extreme cases Mathilde can be an intermediary to preclude direct interactions, but such cases don't seem likely.

Then, possible draconic arrogance and casual disdain for lesser races. Doesn't seem to be a problem, as Cython is quite chill for an Emperor dragon, and on accounting of its age, power and general greatness earned a right for some slightly insulting condescension. Again, in the worst cases Mathilde can be an intermediary, and again, such cases don't seem likely.

In general, it looks like it's worth it.
 
Cython lived at the lei-line lined archipelago where the Arabyan Colleges equivalents are now, and then chose to live at the Karak Eight Peaks, which is a Waystone nexus, and then keenly felt Karak Eight Peaks Waystones reconnection even through its sleep, so it has relevant knowledge. Moreover, given that it's an Emperor dragon and lived for a very, very long time, it can be a source of historical and other Waystone and lei-line related knowledge we can't get anywhere else.

Cython knows nothing about waystones; I'm fairly sure there are none in Araby, as they are only found in the Old World, and you don't need to know what a waystone is to feel it, especially when a not insignificant amount of your soul has been transformed into Hysh.

If we bring them into the project, they'd be starting from scratch, same as us, only with a higher magic and learning score.
 
Cython knows nothing about waystones; I'm fairly sure there are none in Araby, as they are only found in the Old World, and you don't need to know what a waystone is to feel it, especially when a not insignificant amount of your soul has been transformed into Hysh.

If we bring them into the project, they'd be starting from scratch, same as us, only with a higher magic and learning score.
Er, pretty sure they're found in more places than just the Old World. Ulthuan was where they originated, for starters.
 
I do not think he is that interested in finding answers so much as contemplating it.
He does not revel in confusion, he looks for puzzles to solve himself. I do not think he would enjoy cooperation.

As BurnNote said, by Cython's own words:
To Hysh, it is the moment of realization that is most satisfying, and the rest is simply the thrill of the hunt.
Cython likes to gather info on what it is interested in to reach the truth, and it is ok with sharing that pursuit of answers, with gathered knowledge and conclusions it reached, with Mathilde, so cooperation is possible.
 
He does not revel in confusion, he looks for puzzles to solve himself. I do not think he would enjoy cooperation.
Yeah, this. He doesn't like getting answers, what he likes is solving things. Anybody else getting the answer would defeat the point for him. He'd appreciate somebody else reaching the answer after building on something he provided about as much as a crossword enthusiast would appreciate somebody else swooping in and finishing their puzzle for them while they were elsewhere.

To continue the analogy: what he did with Mathilde before was akin to him finding out that a crossword he thought he'd solved secretly had another section that intersected with the stuff he thought he'd solved. So he got Mathilde to give him the new set of clues so he could figure out how to solve the rest of it and see which of the words he'd already filled in needed to be changed to make everything work. That is fundamentally different from stating that he wanted to solve puzzles with her.
 
Yeah, this. He doesn't like getting answers, what he likes is solving things. Anybody else getting the answer would defeat the point for him. He'd appreciate somebody else reaching the answer after building on something he provided about as much as a crossword enthusiast would appreciate somebody else swooping in and finishing their puzzle for them while they were elsewhere.

To continue the analogy: what he did with Mathilde before was akin to him finding out that a crossword he thought he'd solved secretly had another section that intersected with the stuff he thought he'd solved. So he got Mathilde to give him the new set of clues so he could figure out how to solve the rest of it and see which of the words he'd already filled in needed to be changed to make everything work. That is fundamentally different from stating that he wanted to solve puzzles with her.
That's the point of recruiting, first, to get Cython interested in Waystone puzzle and second, to get it to associate with Mathilde and other Waystone research associates for getting Waystone knowledge, meanwhile sharing what it already knows and discovered as it did during discussing theology with Mathilde. And it's a starting point, if recruiting is successful, with time and building rapport more close cooperation would be possible.

He doesn't like getting answers, what he likes is solving things. Anybody else getting the answer would defeat the point for him.
Yes, Cython likes solving things, getting to know how things are. It's exactly getting answers. And Cython does not care for others getting answers, true, but is not above getting relevant info and knowledge from others to get answers itself, in the meantime debating that and other relevant info and knowledge and letting others get those answers too. Not wanting to get answers with somebody would not preclude that somebody getting those answers in the process of cooperation.
 
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