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Seems like it. 1st Edition didn't even have any worldbuilding, it was just a ruleset for large-scale combat seemingly intended to supplement D&D and the like, including rules for things like Balrogs, Menfish, and Wereboars.
IIRC the name Warhammer has actually got nothing to do with Ghal Maraz at all, and was based off of the Chaos Lord Harold Hammerstorm, AKA Harry the Hammer. https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com...merfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Harald_Hammerstorm

Who aside from being a chaos lord has plenty of the same beats
 
There being dragons that old around isn't new. As one of them says in the Old World Bestiary '"When the Old Ones first crafted their Gates from the substance of stars, I was there to assist their labour. Down the long ages I have come, watching the rise and fall of you lesser races and your civilizations. I've laid waste to knights and cities, burned fields and routed armies in my years. I could tell you much of the world that you have forgotten and more that you never knew, but I think not. You and yours are suited for nothing more than to provide me with amusement and the occasional graceful bauble for my lair. I see little else
worthwhile about you."
Not argueing this point. What I am saying is that judging by the trailer rulers of Cathay are aware of the Old Ones and may believe themselves and their civilisation superior to the Old ones.
 
Also, for some reason the Iron Dragon is actually Aqshy aligned (his human form lights a fire in his hand to show off),
That's not necessarily an indicator he's an Aqshy dragon. CA's thoughts might very well be different from how Boney figures dragons who are spellcasters work. Not to mention, even beyond that, you're assuming Iron Dragon is a type of dragon, rather than an epithet. He might be called the Iron Dragon because of his personality or something.

I need an explanation for that. What was the "classic" Human faction before the Empire? And how far back are we talking?
There wasn't one. Basically anything before 4th edition is radically different from what you'd think of as Warhammer. 3rd was close, but there was still some weird stuff. For instance, all the Empire units were named in German.

Minor correction; 1984.

Yeah I only learnt that today when it mentioned a review of 1st Ed in the critical reception.
Seemed to basically be this meme until I looked it up and found out it was focused in tabletop rpgs before.
It should probably be remembered that although Games Workshop are most famous for their own products, they got started making game boards and then as an importer.
 
That's not necessarily an indicator he's an Aqshy dragon. CA's thoughts might very well be different from how Boney figures dragons who are spellcasters work. Not to mention, even beyond that, you're assuming Iron Dragon is a type of dragon, rather than an epithet. He might be called the Iron Dragon because of his personality or something.

The other promotional image of him does provide some pretty strong evidence of him being a literal dragon.

 
The other promotional image of him does provide some pretty strong evidence of him being a literal dragon.

He definitely is a dragon, I'm just questioning whether there's a type of dragons called Iron Dragons or he's a dragon sometimes called the Iron Dragon because of his personality rather than elemental leanings.
 
He definitely is a dragon, I'm just questioning whether there's a type of dragons called Iron Dragons or he's a dragon sometimes called the Iron Dragon because of his personality rather than elemental leanings.
Yes, Zhao Ming's title is the Iron Dragon, and Miao Ying's title is the Storm Dragon. It's certainly not their type of dragon, but I was a bit confused because the Storm Dragon was producing lightning so how she got the name was obvious, but Zhao Ming is spitting fire and he's named the Iron Dragon? Different conventions I guess. I would have expected him to have iron like scales or something.

Speaking of, is it normal for siblings to have different last names like that? Zhao Ming and Miao Ying I mean.
 
He definitely is a dragon, I'm just questioning whether there's a type of dragons called Iron Dragons or he's a dragon sometimes called the Iron Dragon because of his personality rather than elemental leanings.

Oh, I misread what you were saying. Yeah, it seems to me that Iron Dragon and Storm Dragon are translations of their titles that overlaps by coincidence with Old World dragon terminology. The dialogue of the trailer did hit enough Azyr-y notes for me to suspect that the Storm Dragon might also be a Storm Dragon, but it could also be that they operate under a Cathayan Yin-Yang framework rather than the Teclisean Winds framework.
 
Oh, I misread what you were saying. Yeah, it seems to me that Iron Dragon and Storm Dragon are translations of their titles that overlaps by coincidence with Old World dragon terminology. The dialogue of the trailer did hit enough Azyr-y notes for me to suspect that the Storm Dragon might also be a Storm Dragon, but it could also be that they operate under a Cathayan Yin-Yang framework rather than the Teclisean Winds framework.
The notes mention that Dragonblood sorcerors use Yin and Yang, but that Cathay also has an abundance of "Astromancers" and "Alchemists". That strikes me as the Dragonbloods have their own yin yang discipline, but that they also employ Chamon/Azyr in the rank and file? I'm interested in seeing how it plays out, but Astromancy was always a thing with Cathay so it isn't exactly a surprise.

EDIT: I just considered that maybe it all means something different to them. Correct me if I'm wrong, but a lot of chinese alchemy was about self modification right? What if "Alchemy" is internal wind use, and "Astromancy" is external wind use, and that's how Yin and Yang play into it rather than using any of the traditional winds in the Teclisean model?
 
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EDIT: I just considered that maybe it all means something different to them. Correct me if I'm wrong, but a lot of chinese alchemy was about self modification right? What if "Alchemy" is internal wind use, and "Astromancy" is external wind use, and that's how Yin and Yang play into it rather than using any of the traditional winds in the Teclisean model?

There's some old lore that says that Yin and Yang were their names for High Magic and Dark Magic and that they considered both sacred, but they might not be using that.
 
There's some old lore that says that Yin and Yang were their names for High Magic and Dark Magic and that they considered both sacred, but they might not be using that.
I think they're going for a unique lore, going by the "earthbending" mage in the trailer who summon inky/metallic tendrils. I have no idea how that works but it was cool.
 
Breathing fire is fine, but his human form uses fire in a distinct not breath way:
Yeah so what? Do you think that the transformation from dragon to human or vice versa is a Ashqy flavoured version of the Transformation of Kadon?
These dragons are clearly breaking the rules already in other places, it seems strange to me that we're drawing the line and assuming this thing must be the same.
 
I'm not sure of the exact relevance of this particular piece of information since not many can get an actual firearm from Cathay at the current time period in DL, but the trailer shows this: r/totalwar - Is...is that a bolt action rifle?

Cathay has breech loading muskets apparently, which might not be historically inaccurate if they're going for Ming Dynasty? I think it's based off Che Dian Chong, which is a late 16th century invention.
Yeah so what? Do you think that the transformation from dragon to human or vice versa is a Ashqy flavoured version of the Transformation of Kadon?
These dragons are clearly breaking the rules already in other places, it seems strange to me that we're drawing the line and assuming this thing must be the same.
Maybe I'm misreading your tone, but this reads to me as quite aggressive.
 
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Yeah so what? Do you think that the transformation from dragon to human or vice versa is a Ashqy flavoured version of the Transformation of Kadon?
IF something like that is possible I would like Mathilde to turn in to Shadow Dragon please.

I mean I tought we would need to modfy Steed of Shadows to get some Ulgu Dragon spells but if we can reflavor Transformation of Kadon I would like it as well.
 
Maybe I'm misreading your tone, but this reads to me as quite aggressive.
Sorry wasn't my intention.
IF something like that is possible I would like Mathilde to turn in to Shadow Dragon please.

I mean I tought we would need to modfy Steed of Shadows to get some Ulgu Dragon spells but if we can reflavor Transformation of Kadon I would like it as well.
Yes if its possible I would like that. Is it possible? I doubt it.
 
"If I didn't know you were here, I probably would have shot at that jumping patch of Ulgu," you comment as you slip a bookmark into Beyond the Great Bastion.
Funnily enough Mathilde does have a book somewhat related to the Great Bastion. New info released a few hours ago says that Miao Ying has ruled the Northern Provinces and the Great Bastion for centures. She's basically a geographical feature at this point.
 
Funnily enough Mathilde does have a book somewhat related to the Great Bastion. New info released a few hours ago says that Miao Ying has ruled the Northern Provinces and the Great Bastion for centures. She's basically a geographical feature at this point.

That book specifically was on the Hung, but yeah, Mathilde would probably have more information available to her about Cathay than we do at this point.
 
As a note for those who might be interested in breaking a tie, Galenstra is currently tied with Karak Azul architects for fifth place.

They're both at 69 votes. Nice.
 
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