Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Concerned Fan: Say GW how did the Druchi get a society with all this murder, slavery and treachery?
GW: The witch king did it to ensure he would never be overthrown
CF: He made treachery socially acceptable to make sure he is never betrayed?
GW: Yep, brilliant isn't it? *preens*
CF: ...
GW: Also Meleketh is the one true king of the elves
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CF: Why to all the dark elf sorceresses who live in fantasy Canada show more skin than people on the beach in Florida?
GW: Because they worship Slaanesh and he is all about that sex stuff *giggles like a middle schooner*
Concerned Fan: Say GW how did the Druchi get a society with all this murder, slavery and treachery?
GW: The witch king did it to ensure he would never be overthrown
CF: He made treachery socially acceptable to make sure he is never betrayed?
GW: Yep, brilliant isn't it? *preens*
CF: ...
GW: Also Meleketh is the one true king of the elves
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CF: Why to all the dark elf sorceresses who live in fantasy Canada show more skin than people on the beach in Florida?
GW: Because they worship Slaanesh and he is all about that sex stuff *giggles like a middle schooner*
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That really isn't so weird. It happens fairly often in dictatorships. It's not framed as "Betrayal is Good". It's "If you successfully betray them, then they were unworthy of their position, and you will serve better". It's framed as competition for being the best servant of the Glorious Leader, and you need their favor to actually take a vacated position (ultimately Malekith, in this case, though it could also be the local big boss in the hierachy by proxy, like the city lord or ship captain). That also means your betrayals have to be surgical enough to either not hurt the interests of the big boss, or not get traced back to you.
The advantages for Malekith are that his servants are constantly vying for his favor against each other, because having his favor is the best way to be safe. And because they don't trust each other, they can't easily ally, and any offer would get treated as an attempted setup (because revealing a plot against the local big boss is a great way to get his favor). And because getting the benefits of a betrayal requires a higher authority to sanctify the outcome, aiming for Malekith (where there is no higher authority) has the extra wrinkle that a successful plot wouldn't get you the crown, because everyone else would be aiming for you in a free-for-all (the outcome if you overthrow your boss, but the next step up doesn't ok it afterwards for whatever reason, mostly because you didn't make it worth their while). In that way, Malekith has a special position and is a lynchpin for the whole system. Without him, you'd get a bunch of city-states that really hate each other. Which means it's actually in everyones interest to keep Malekith around, because they're safer and more powerful that way.
The naked sorceresses is kind of dumb, but if I had to think about it, I'd just put it down to "magic". Some Ashyq warming enchatments shouldn't be too hard. Actually, it does work pretty well as a flex on all the poor frozen fuckers. The male elfs can't use magic either, after all, and it also works to intimidate the slaves. And while that almost certainly wasn't the reason GW had, I expect Boney will go with something better than RL sex appeal as a reason for worldbuilding.
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No. Chaos Warriors constantly attack the Druchii and it's the only border that the Dark Elves permanently garrison through a series of Watchtowers. It's probably the most consistent source of attrition they suffer that isn't a cause of their own machinations.
Dictatorships do not actually do that, they do not enshrine treachery as good, they create competing chains of power and loyalty and then let the institutions and people fight among themselves. Even so loyalty is seen as good on all levels and underhanded tactics are left in the shadows, never culturally lionized. So society where betrayal and social climbing by murder is common is different from one where it is normalized. The Druchi as presented by GW are so far past normalizing it that 'glorying' might be the better term. The only way to make them realistic is to tone them way down.
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The details of Boris Todbringer's life comes from the areas of Warhammer lore that are of questionable canonicity to DL, so I have to make a bunch of adjustments and changes. Also I'm making an Omake I don't need to adhere to strict canon, but one thing I want to mention.
Apparently Boris was born 2455 IC. That makes him 5 years younger than Mathilde. It makes sense since this story takes place 50 years before canon, but I just think it's amusing to think about.
It would make him a pretty young Elector Count though when he participated in the Battle of Schadensumpf. The territory claims were mentioned as far back as 2475IC during the Haunted Hills campaign, so the Battle happened somewhere around that time period when Boris was barely hitting his 20s. He also apparently married at the age of 16, which I'm not sure how common that is in the time period.
EDIT: You know what, there's nothing weird about a person just into his twenties leading an army through a military battle in the Empire. Sigmar was 15 years old when he saved High King Kurgan Ironbeard.
Apparently Boris was born 2455 IC. That makes him 5 years younger than Mathilde. It makes sense since this story takes place 50 years before canon, but I just think it's amusing to think about.
It would make him a pretty young Elector Count though when he participated in the Battle of Schadensumpf. The territory claims were mentioned as far back as 2475IC during the Haunted Hills campaign, so the Battle happened somewhere around that time period when Boris was barely hitting his 20s. He also apparently married at the age of 16, which I'm not sure how common that is in the time period.
EDIT: You know what, there's nothing weird about a person just into his twenties leading an army through a military battle in the Empire. Sigmar was 15 years old when he saved High King Kurgan Ironbeard.
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Also needless to say, dictatorships prone to infighting are not...stable. Granted when your dictator is immortal it removes many of the factors that lead to failure.
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Immortal, and capable of destroying an entire army by himself. Yeah, I can see how that would help 😏
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Just to add to this, it was a Black Orc Warboss he defeated.I did not know that.
Also, Sigmar was definitely a primarch
You know, the strongest Orcs out there. It's kind of crazy. To be fair, there are a few asteriks attached here from the Sigmar Novel, which I have to note is Tier 4 Canon (below 6th edition+ Army Books and 2nd ED RPG books which are Tier 3).
In the novel Sigmar could barely deal any damage with his bronze sword, so High King Kurgan broke out of his chains, grabbed Ghal Maraz from the Orc camp, and threw it to Sigmar. Catching it, he annhilated the Warboss in a number of devastating blows. In the novel the Warboss also had a flaming axe.
I think it makes more sense that he was given Ghal Maraz during the battle rather than after. The weapon is a serious force multiplier, and it gives Kurgan something to do to prove that he's formidable.
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I hold the Eternity King Malekith decision to be Asuryan going "Ah hell, if i give it to Tyrion the idiot will draw the sword while being king and Finubar is just not going to cut it long enough to get Sigmar in a situation where he can survive the world exploding. I don't have anyone other than that baked loser. Fuck it, the world is about to blow in a few years, we need time. Not like me and my fellow gods haven't already acted like insane morons many times already.".
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So re: the sexism in the 8th eidition elf army books and Endtimes: Khaine. All four of those where written by Matt Ward as part of his grand vision for the elves. While I generally think the fandom is overly hard on the man (He is the one who finally moved the elven pantheon into its final, and best in my opinion, form) *every* book he wrote is notibly more sexist then the GW baseline. He's also the one who backported Slannesh wanting eldar elven souls from 40k. Though I suspect the second one was a mandate from above to unify the settings as part of the ongoing seesaw of whether they are connected or not among GWs top leadership.
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All well and good if the explanation had not been that the murderous son of a bitch was always supposed to be king because he is the only one who did not cheat the fire with magic. So that is the only moral standard the flaming goose seems to have, do you get burned. All that murder betrayal, slavery and untold suffering that contributed in no small measure to the end of the world... yeah that is all fine because he did not have a mage cast resist fire on him.
I would not even call that troll logic, it's more like that happens when the troll is petrified and then the rock that used to be a troll tries to think.
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As with all Warhammer, just snipe out the very dumb parts and headcanon it as "gods are insane because people are" or "false news during literal apocalypse or daemons trolling".All well and good if the explanation had not been that the murderous son of a bitch was always supposed to be king because he is the only one who did not cheat the fire with magic. So that is the only moral standard the flaming goose seems to have, do you get burned. All that murder betrayal, slavery and untold suffering that contributed in no small measure to the end of the world... yeah that is all fine because he did not have a mage cast resist fire on him.
I would not even call that troll logic, it's more like that happens when the troll is petrified and then the rock that used to be a troll tries to think.
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It also gives the high king a good reason to want to teach humans metalworking.
If they are to be allies, they need to have working weapons. Bronze just won't do.
Now if only the witters of that book knew that bronze was as good or better than most pre-modern steels....
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...isnt Ward also the guy with an unrepentant Ultramarine fetish?
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I doubt it competes with whatever the dwarfs taught the tribes.Now if only the witters of that book knew that bronze was as good or better than most pre-modern steels....
They might not have given them their best stuff, but I'm pretty sure it was an upgrade.
Also, do you have a source for that? I'm quite interested in medieval metallurgy
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Its more that only knows one way to hype for a faction. He did the same thing in the demon armybook/codex, grey knight codex and elf army books
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Generally for most of the periods of history Warhammer bases itself in, you would be marriage age pretty much whenever you were legally an adult. In Warhammer, this is through a rite of passage known as Quickening, and it usually occurs in the same part of your adolescence as your Dooming, meaning between the age of 10-14. Though, you're not likely to immediately get married in most walks of life, as Quickening marks the beginning of being sent off on an apprenticeship or into military training.
And really, it's hardly inaccurate for the period. Throughout medieval times, a boy was considered a man at twelve and could be expected to participate in manhunts for dangerous criminals if ordered to. And one of the reasons why Richard the First, the 'Lionheart', had his only heir be from an illegitimate union was two-fold; firstly, he didn't much like the notion of being married in the first place, because he was a fairly prolific womanizer and didn't want to be restricted to just one. The second reason was that at the time, his actual wife was twelve years old.
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There is a reason the bronze age collapse spawned or reinforced the idea of the superpowered ancient civilization.Now if only the witters of that book knew that bronze was as good or better than most pre-modern steels....
Kinda hard to argue when all you have is some shitty pig iron slapped to a grip and someone rolls into town with some unrusting unyielding bronze weaponry they found and fixed up a little.
(Jokes aside the bronze age collapse was a huge desaster for everyone)
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Fair. But that's not as memorable as the ultramarine's GLORIOUS SPIRTUAL LEIGE.
The big problem with early iron, as I understand it, was that nobody really understood how to make the good stuff- your material quality was pretty much down to luck and what you found in your raw and smelted ores. So while there were some iron/steel swords that blew bronze ones out of the water, there were far more that weren't any sort of improvement (or were even worse) and had the added problem of rusting.
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When both are correctly made and worked, bronze is superior to iron (although much less common and therefore less useful) but virtually any kind of steel is better than bronze. Bronze is heavier and weaker than steel.Now if only the witters of that book knew that bronze was as good or better than most pre-modern steels....
The issue with using bronze is mostly that most of the tribe would still be using wood, stone and bone equipment. Bronze takes a lot of trading to make, so it'd arm your champions and the rest get to eat shit and die