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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Boney said:
And when the Time of Woes taught them the true, bitter taste of independence, they abandoned their Hold and sent their own starving children on a march across a ruined continent to beg for food and shelter from the Empire they betrayed while they used their riches to buy a place among the Umgi.
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This is the part that feels most damning to me. If I'm not misunderstanding, after the whole Independence thing didn't work out, they booted all the lower classes to go beg for shelter elsewhere while the upper classes used their wealth to establish themselves into human economies. Thorek may be, and is, biased against Traitorous Bastards, but there isn't much wiggle room on that one unless it's totally inaccurate. I'm not very big on Sins Of The Father, to be clear, but there is something to be said about getting the keys to a place they abandoned and have absolutely zero apparent intention of ever reclaiming. The best outcome here is to get these keys without strong-arming them, doing it instead through trade or something, the suggestion to use a Great Deed might accomplish that, and is one of the first things I actually want to use a Great Deed for.

Not much else to say that hasn't been said. I don't feel amazing about this vote, I hope we don't look back and feel our stomachs churn at the consequences of what we have done here, but the prize is beyond measure, and the costs are more ambiguous than outright negative.

[X] [THOREK] Both
 
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Is there some Coin influence left to smooth over anything undesirable from putting pressure on Middenheim dwarves, or is it totally spent on getting favorable outcome with Thorek?
 
ChronOblivion said:
This is the part that feels most damning to me. If I'm not misunderstanding, after the whole Independence thing didn't work out, they booted all the lower classes to go beg for shelter elsewhere while the upper classes used their wealth to establish themselves into human economies. Thorek may be, and is, biased against Traitorous Bastards, but there isn't much wiggle room on that one unless it's totally inaccurate. I'm not very big on Sins Of The Father, to be clear, but there is something to be said about getting the keys to a place they abandoned and have absolutely zero apparent intention of ever reclaiming. The best outcome here is to get these keys without strong-arming them, doing it instead through trade or something, the suggestion to use a Great Deed might accomplish that, and is one of the first things I actually want to use a Great Deed for.
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Boney said:
And when the Time of Woes taught them the true, bitter taste of independence, they abandoned their Hold and sent their own starving children on a march across a ruined continent to beg for food and shelter from the Empire they betrayed while they used their riches to buy a place among the Umgi.
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I think it's possible that they knew the Karaz Ankor would never accept them, but would accept the children - and perceived that dwarf holds would be a better future for their children than an uncertain pact with the humans of the valley. I also suspect that their rebellion was more a matter of not seeing a reason to take up arms against their neighbors whom they'd long enjoyed good relations with. One dwarf's treason is another dwarf's conscientious objection.


In the long run it might be better if Thorek succeeds, but I suspect it's almost certainly going to make things worse in the short term.

Oh, and I'm totally going to have to vote to give the arm to Johann. I can't do wrong by my man the magical transhumanist.
 
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DragonParadox said:
We are not going to be putting pressure on them this turn, that is another action which we will pledge to.
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I thought that it actually would not require more actions and so would be at this turn's remainder and not on following turns based on this:
Boney said:
No. Mathilde is already doing a write-up of Karag Dum this turn, and the Middenheim thing just requires a few words with the right people to lend her influence.
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But yeah, got my answer.

[X] [ARM] Johann
[X] [THOREK] Both
 
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