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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Jyn Ryvia said:
I wouldn't, the chans aren't just ban'd a lot because of content, but because they are often infested with malware.

I don't think 1d4chan is one of them, but I imagine the mods and owners of SV will be on the side of 'don't risk it.'
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1d4chan is a wiki, not really a chan. It's just a wiki that gets it's "sources" from /tg/.


Anyway. Off to a completely different topic.

I noticed that Mathilde knows very very few couples, let alone committed ones. I think it's only Edda + Kazrik (not yet openly), Soizic + Hubert (not yet openly), Esbern + Sejia (I think), Heidi + Luitpold (married with child) and the Duchess and Duke of Carcassonne (talked to them once). On top of that we know that King Kazador is married, but don't know his wife. For every single other character we've met IC we either know that they are single or don't have any info on their relationship status at all. Which is quite curious, given the era and level of social status we usually move in. Wilhelmina and Abelheim were both widowed with children, but all our other friends are single and eligible, some of them with quite a bit of pressure on them to start producing heirs.

And before anyone brings them up, I don't count Deathfang and Asarnil to be in this category.
 
Altom said:
Well, I am not sure whether or not bretonnian virtues are magical in nature. If they are not, it means that regular humans can get to ws 8 as one can have a bretonnian lord with that vurtie who is only a knight of the realm.
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There's also a (fan) theory that bretonnian nobels are all low-key blessed by the lady, which is why they get ward saves and are just way the fuck better than the peasants (though that last part probably has more to do with bad nutrition and lack of training).

Point is, it could be that bretonnian nobels start out slightly superhuman, and so aren't really a great comparision for what 'basic' humans could be. Though it would actually make them a better comparision to Matty, because she's also at least a little not-base-human.
Jyn Ryvia said:
I wouldn't, the chans aren't just ban'd a lot because of content, but because they are often infested with malware.

I don't think 1d4chan is one of them, but I imagine the mods and owners of SV will be on the side of 'don't risk it.'
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1d4chan is a wiki. It's got the name because it came out of the tg board on 4chan, but I don't think it's any more risk than any other fan-wiki.
 
BurnNote said:
There's also a (fan) theory that bretonnian nobels are all low-key blessed by the lady, which is why they get ward saves and are just way the fuck better than the peasants (though that last part probably has more to do with bad nutrition and lack of training).
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I mean, I don't think them getting the Ward Save from the Lady's Blessing is a fan-theory so much as canon?
 
The only problem I have with inviting Pan to WEB-MAT is that I feel uncomfortable with Mathilde having official power over someone she is in a relationship with.
Codex said:
Note that Panoramia mentions the Valley still needs her on hand at the moment, it's just less intense. It'll be a little while, maybe 1-2 years before she's completely done. We don't need to rush it.
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If there was going to be such a delay, I'd prefer to have reached out to the Jade college for access and a Magister or two before then.

That aside, I would like for there to be more actions involving our girlfriend.

I think part of the problem is the format of a quest - we get broad overviews and small snapshots, and they naturally cover a number of disparate topics. Not as much room to focus on aspect of a person's life or a small timeframe as in other formats.

Unrelated: Going by Cython's hypothesis that the winds are just 'subtle gods', would that mean that Cython, and indeed all wind users are a type of priest?

WEB-MAT COLLAB WITH CYTHON IS A GO!
 
BeepSmile said:
The only problem I have with inviting Pan to WEB-MAT is that I feel uncomfortable with Mathilde having official power over someone she is in a relationship with.

If there was going to be such a delay, I'd prefer to have reached out to the Jade college for access and a Magister or two before then.

That aside, I would like for there to be more actions involving our girlfriend.

I think part of the problem is the format of a quest - we get broad overviews and small snapshots, and they naturally cover a number of disparate topics. Not as much room to focus on aspect of a person's life or a small timeframe as in other formats.

Unrelated: Going by Cython's hypothesis that the winds are just 'subtle gods', would that mean that Cython, and indeed all wind users are a type of priest?

WEB-MAT COLLAB WITH CYTHON IS A GO!
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"A Magister or two" is not an easy ask. There are approximately 50 Magisters or higher per College, and they're all busy people. It's not that easy to just recruit people, the only reason we managed the ones we did is because we knew them and had the connections ready to leverage it.

Each Magister we recruit to WEB-MAT is a big deal, and I don't think we'll be able to field more than 10 at all in fact. Especially if things continue in the vein where we get options for each individual member, imagine the chaos of looking over 10 different characters and their individual options and having to decide what they get to do.
 
BurnNote said:
Not the ward, that it also gives them slightly superhuman physical capabilities. Which, reading my post, I didn't actually say that. My bad.
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I think it's worth noting that, absent whatever Vow they took, Bretonnian lords have the exact same stat block* as Empire Grand Master Knights.

*Except for Ballistic Skill
 
I honestly think we will have better luck poaching talented journeymen and training/giving them resources to train themselves up then trying to fill out the ranks of WEB-MAt with one or more of the 50 odd Magisters from each college.

like, obviously we want to try to recruit Magisters when we can. but high potential Journeymen are also good picks.
 
I'm perfectly fine with just getting Panoramia, Hugo Bann and maybe an Amber and call it quits. I think we can save the Shyish/Azyr for later, because there's a dozen other choices we could be doing and there isn't an urgent need for their expertise when it comes to Waystones. It takes a full AP for recruitment, and it also takes a full AP to get a single Cult/Order/House/Ward on our side. It also takes AP to train our Sword style, research AV, codify ROW, do Apparitions, Enchant stuff/experiment with Windherding, learning to control our Arcane Marks etc etc.

My point is, I'm not too thrilled about recruiting too many people. We're busy and getting busier, and I'd prefer we have a bunch of people who know what they're doing over people that we have to train and let grow. I'm all for Duckling hunting when we're less cramped with options.
 
will there be any consequences for recruiting Engrim to WEB-MAT and then not immediately giving him a task? Will there be off-screen stuff to keep him busy as we set up, or could it cause resentment if he starts feeling like we are ignoring him?
 
Codex said:
"A Magister or two" is not an easy ask. There are approximately 50 Magisters or higher per College, and they're all busy people. It's not that easy to just recruit people, the only reason we managed the ones we did is because we knew them and had the connections ready to leverage it.

Each Magister we recruit to WEB-MAT is a big deal, and I don't think we'll be able to field more than 10 at all in fact. Especially if things continue in the vein where we get options for each individual member, imagine the chaos of looking over 10 different characters and their individual options and having to decide what they get to do.
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Sure there are only 50 magister per order but "You get to work with Elves and Dwarves on a project that will go down in history if successful, oh and also we have state of the art facilities and decadently decorated living quarters for you to stay in" is a pretty big draw. And that's on top of the cutting edge magical science they get to be a part of, you don't become a magister without having some drive to you.

I also think there is quite a lot of conflation between WEBMAT and the waystone project but I can easily see the jades/ambers very definitely not joining WEBMAT but joining the project, we are talking about potentially very touchy secrets of theirs and their Patriarchs might want to maintain maximum control by not putting their magisters as directly subordinate to Mathilde.
 
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Mopman43 said:
I think it's worth noting that, absent whatever Vow they took, Bretonnian lords have the exact same stat block* as Empire Grand Master Knights.

*Except for Ballistic Skill
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A fair point. I'm not actually all that knowledgable where the crunch is concerned.

That said, Grand Master Knights aren't exactly typical humans and have a pretty decent chance of falling under 'superhuman because of divine favor'. Most orders are devoted to one god or another, after all. But it is a good point.
 
Actually, rather then one of the colleges, would we not want to get In contact with the cult of Uric next?

their the empire faction most likely to know the politics of the elves.
 
I'm dubious about the utility of Windherder to the Waystone Project, but Hugo Bann might be useful in helping puzzling out the arm and the Kurgan weapons, which operate off of enchantment frameworks we know nothing about. That and we should at least try Windherder out.
 
I feel like people have gotten too hung up on Hugo Bann. He's an acquaintance, not a friend, and a busy one at that. I'm not against reaching out to him with an offer, but it should be taken very far from granted that he accepts.
 
Redshirt Army said:
I feel like people have gotten too hung up on Hugo Bann. He's an acquaintance, not a friend, and a busy one at that. I'm not against reaching out to him with an offer, but it should be taken very far from granted that he accepts.
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It's kind of expected that if he is as good as the thread thinks he is, we aren't the only ones sending him offers. Waystonea might interest him in of itself. but this is a guy that the colleges bosses have on dial, he probably has a good job in the colleges itself already, WEB-MAT could be seen as a downgrade the same way the thread though working with Karak Nar council was a down grade from loremaster.

again, that's why I think 'talent journeymen' that we have spotted and help develop, are going to be the actual core of WEB-MAT, at least until they pass their exams.
 
Redshirt Army said:
I feel like people have gotten too hung up on Hugo Bann. He's an acquaintance, not a friend, and a busy one at that. I'm not against reaching out to him with an offer, but it should be taken very far from granted that he accepts.
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Are you suggesting that people might not want to drop all their plans, projects and obligations to go investigate a mystery that's perplexed the greatest magical scholars for thousands of years on the behalf of a strange, young and overambitious lady magister they barely know?

Because that sounds like crazy talk to me.
 
Actually on that, I think the thread needs to realise that the the best Master wizards are more then likely going to already have pretty good gigs in the colleges, Electer courts, or have their own projects and interest that is taking the time.

a new, untested branch college is not likely to attract the best of the best of the master (On average anyways)

it's the guys trying to get away from the main college

the eccentric's and fuck-ups that don't have better options.

and the rare wizard that was already interested in the topic and is happy to have somewhere to meet like minds. (But might have their own veiws on how things 'should' be going')
 
On the flip side wizards don't generally have that many opportunities to collaborate with the higher tier of elven mages or dwarf Runesmiths.

We're sort of offering both. Sure lots of people won't be interested but we ought to get at least a couple decent magisters from the remaining Colleges.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
Actually on that, I think the thread needs to realise that the the best Master wizards are more then likely going to already have pretty good gigs in the colleges, Electer courts, or have their own projects and interest that is taking the time.

a new, untested branch college is not likely to attract the best of the best of the master (On average anyways)

it's the guys trying to get away from the main college

the eccentric's and fuck-ups that don't have better options.

and the rare wizard that was already interested in the topic and is happy to have somewhere to meet like minds. (But might have their own veiws on how things 'should' be going')
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That's a rather pessimistic way to look at it.

For K8P, you'd be correct. It was a dangerous active warzone, infested with skaven and orcs, and very out of the way. The only thing going for it is the Dwarf gold.
The Waystone project has a lot better incentives: the library of Mourning, working with other magical traditions on exotic research.
 
To be honest I do not think we need more mages right now for one simple reason. we do not need more characters. With the way Web-Mat actions work we can now go for whole turns without taking an action with Max or with Johann and now with Horstman, adding more people will just make that issue larger.

There is already going to be a huge infusion of elf characters into the story on top of that which will I think take center stage for a while.
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
Are you suggesting that people might not want to drop all their plans, projects and obligations to go investigate a mystery that's perplexed the greatest magical scholars for thousands of years on the behalf of a strange, young and overambitious lady magister they barely know?

Because that sounds like crazy talk to me.
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To be fair, he already helped the strange, young and overambitious lady magister on a magical megaproject when she didn't have lady as part of her name, and it turned out pretty well.

On that note, we should totally recruit that one amber magister that made the dragonstone for us. Busting up a beastman ritual and running off with their stone is already exactly the kind of moxie Mathilde appreciates (also, theft), and he's also clearly a very skilled enchanter if he could put in the transformation. Plus, he's someone who can turn into a dragon, which is another big advantage (Mathilde needs more dragons in her life, and there's currently not a resident dragon in elf forest). Finally, beaststone knowledge is probably applicable to the waystones, nevermind whatever other Amber secrets he knows.
 
I want Pan because she's a jade and we need an in with the jades; she's an existing character that we want to see get screentime; she's specialized in exactly the sorts of things we need to work on with extending the tree network; and she's looking for something new to do.

I don't think having formal power over her is that big of a deal- it was the same sort of thing we've always had going as the senior wizard in the Dwarf expedition, or loremaster in the Dwarf hold.

I just think she needs to be a magister first for appearances sake.
 
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