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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Shane_357 said:
I wouldn't assume they're on positive terms with Ulthuan. From what BoneyM described I took a more 'annoying natives who didn't do what they're told' vibe than how Teclis treated the Empire.
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The "they kick the Elves out of their colonies" thing was four and a half thousand years ago. And the Elves got exceedingly busy with other stuff around that time. I highly doubt it has much, if any, influence on their relations today. I especially doubt it when, in canon, the Elves have maintained trade with them since then. Actually, the most likely flashpoint between them would be Ulthuan's refusal to allow them to sail west of Ulthuan (which is mostly because they don't want the Arbayans trading slaves to Naggaroth).
 
Lovely Laurelorn
[ ] Furnish the living spaces of the Waystone Project HQ (specify how much: 100gc for adequate, 200gc for comfortable, 300gc+ for nice (no cap on how much can be spent, because Elves))
[ ] Furnish the research spaces of the Waystone Project HQ (specify how much: 100gc for adequate, 500gc for College-grade, 2000gc for Laurelorn-grade)

Evidently these must be done, I'm thinking we drop 2500 gc between them and call it done.

After that we should do the following.


The Waystone Project, Research
[ ] Personally scrutinize a Waystone as thoroughly as you possibly can

Leaving two ap for other things, I'd drop an AP on AV and the last on recruiting another order of magic for the waystones specifically the light order.
 
BoneyM said:
You have five actions you can apply without engaging in overwork. For every two AP spent on members of WEB-MAT, you can spend one 'free' additional AP in that category.
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Just to clarify this, if we spend two AP WEB-MAT staff, we get a free AP on any WEB-MAT action? So if we give an order each to Max and Johann for 2 AP, we can then give Max or Johann another task or make a recruitment action for free?

And if (for some reason) we spend 4 AP on Max and Johann, we get 2 free WEB-MAT AP?

Is that correct?

BoneyM said:
[ ] Lay the foundations: work with the current members of WEB-MAT and the Waystone Project to build a single unified framework for understanding the Waystones
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I assume this will include any group or individual we recruit this turn? Might want to wait until we've picked up Egrimm first at the very least, but I don't want to sit on it too long either. We get Egrimm next turn right?
 
God there's a lot to take in. Might have to take a few hours to digest all the information because that's a lot.

To be entirely clear though, I'm somewhat confused. We get a free action for EIC, but there's nothing that says we get a free WEB-MAT action? Do we have to spend 2 of our personal AP to get a free WEB-MAT AP? I struggle to find a reason to use our personal AP on Johann and Max. They're useful, but Mathilde does more with her AP than they do.
 
SuperSonicSound said:
Lovely Laurelorn
[ ] Furnish the living spaces of the Waystone Project HQ (specify how much: 100gc for adequate, 200gc for comfortable, 300gc+ for nice (no cap on how much can be spent, because Elves))
[ ] Furnish the research spaces of the Waystone Project HQ (specify how much: 100gc for adequate, 500gc for College-grade, 2000gc for Laurelorn-grade)

Evidently these must be done, I'm thinking we drop 2500 gc between them and call it done.

After that we should do the following.


The Waystone Project, Research
[ ] Personally scrutinize a Waystone as thoroughly as you possibly can

Leaving two ap for other things, I'd drop an AP on AV and the last on recruiting another order of magic for the waystones specifically the light order.
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So looking at our finances is a confusing mess and I don't know which coins apply to this or what the exchange rate is. Thankfully I think we can safely write off our 2000 gold debt to Borek of Karag Dum. This should give us a lot more leeway.
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
Just to clarify this, if we spend two AP WEB-MAT staff, we get a free AP on any WEB-MAT action? So if we give an order each to Max and Johann for 2 AP, we can then give Max or Johann another task or make a recruitment action for free?
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I think it's per person. So you'd have to spend two AP on Max for a free AP which you can then spend on Max. Not one on Max and Johann each.
 
BoneyM said:
"There are two metal-Mages I work with that will be joining me here, and both are also fighters. One archer, one with fists."

"A fist metal-Mage?" He considers that for a while. "That must be interesting. I would like to meet them."

"I'll introduce you," you say, and he nods.
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Putting aside my confusion and all the other reactions I'm having, this is by far the most important one.

They have yet to meet, but I am very interested in having Johann and Kadoh get... acquainted.
 
My first inclination is that we should recruit some of the various houses, particularly the Saphery houses. In addition, we need to go all out in paying for the lab workspace. Once we have that kind of a foundation, recruit the dwarves and wizards.
 
Bedtime for me.reading this update kept me up far too late! Super excited that this is picking up again; this chapter is really good at baiting the hook.

Will be participate tomorrow. Waystones ho!
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
Just to clarify this, if we spend two AP WEB-MAT staff, we get a free AP on any WEB-MAT action? So if we give an order each to Max and Johann for 2 AP, we can then give Max or Johann another task or make a recruitment action for free?

And if (for some reason) we spend 4 AP on Max and Johann, we get 2 free WEB-MAT AP?

Is that correct?
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Yes to all of the above.

Nerdasaurus Rex said:
I assume this will include any group or individual we recruit this turn? Might want to wait until we've picked up Egrimm first at the very least, but I don't want to sit on it too long either. We get Egrimm next turn right?
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You'll probably want to hold off on that until you're sure all your must-haves are in. And shit I forgot about Egrimm, I'll edit a section in for him.

Neshuakadal said:
So looking at our finances is a confusing mess and I don't know which coins apply to this or what the exchange rate is. Thankfully I think we can safely write off our 2000 gold debt to Borek of Karag Dum. This should give us a lot more leeway.
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You can reasonably smush 'crowns' and 'gold coins' together into one currency blob and you won't be too far off.
 
deathofrats0808 said:
I think it's per person. So you'd have to spend two AP on Max for a free AP which you can then spend on Max. Not one on Max and Johann each.
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In this, this means this mechanism will be unused and is actually more restrictive than the previous sub-ordinate action mechanism during the Eight Peak arc, where we had Johan and Max Actions for 1AP net locked in, if memory serves.

@BoneyM I thought previous sub-ordinate actions cost 1/2 AP and were locked in during the Loremaster arc, correct me if I'm wrong? Do such actions now cost one full AP and are now voluntary? Just clarifying on the mechanics change here.
 
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Please, please, please do at least 1 AV action. I've a preference for powerstones or enchanting, but please don't forget our long-term projects here.

Besides, working with a substance that contains all the winds might have benefits for understanding Waystones, which incorporate use of all the winds.
 
Ooooh Laurelorn. Lots of introduction and hinting. Less to go on when it's time to actually start acting. This is gonna be interesting. :D

BoneyM said:
For all that cooperation and harmony was spoken of, this relationship was going to be a game of bluff and deception, with ancient secrets for chips and closely-guarded techniques for cards. Each side would be determined to glimpse as many cards and take as many chips as they could while giving away as little as possible. You had managed to win a seat at this table for the Empire, and there was one thing you needed to avoid admitting at all costs: that you have no chips and no cards.
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I feel like the Empire/Mathilde has one technique: recruiting and bringing Imperial Wizards to bear. ;)
 
Actually, speaking of the Major Houses, they've got an interesting spread of Gods who they're 'invested' in (for lack of a better term). Hoeth, Hekarti, Ladrielle, Ulric and Asuryan. Seeing Hekarti represented up there at all is a bit odd, as she's one of the Cytharai, but the Asrai do something similar, so it's not too out there. But Ladrielle? I guess it makes sense with the whole "magical hidden city" thing, but she's the closest the Elves get to a minor goddess. More interesting is the lack of Kurnous and Isha. Especially Isha. She's the Elven Goddess.

Andmeuths said:
In this, this means this mechanism will be unused and is actually more restrictive than the previous sub-ordinate action mechanism during the Eight Peak arc, where we had Johan and Max Actions for 1AP net locked in, if memory serves.

@BoneyM I thought previous sub-ordinate actions cost 1/2 AP during the Eight peaks arc, correct me if I'm wrong? Do such actions now cost one full AP?
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It was a not very generous reading of the text, but Boney has said that I was wrong, so it doesn't matter.
 
Andmeuths said:
In this, this means this mechanism will be unused and is actually more restrictive than the previous sub-ordinate action mechanism during the Eight Peak arc, where we had Johan and Max Actions for 1AP net locked in, if memory serves.

@BoneyM I thought previous sub-ordinate actions cost 1/2 AP during the Eight peaks arc, correct me if I'm wrong? Do such actions now cost one full AP?
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If what you want is exactly one action per Wizard every single turn, you are now worse off. For pretty much every other scenario you're now better off. As WEB-MAT expands the added flexibility will be more and more advantageous.
 
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deathofrats0808 said:
Actually, speaking of the Major Houses, they've got an interesting spread of Gods who they're 'invested' in (for lack of a better term). Hoeth, Hekarti, Ladrielle, Ulric and Asuryan. Seeing Hekarti represented up there at all is a bit odd, as she's one of the Cytharai, but the Asrai do something similar, so it's not too out there. But Ladrielle? I guess it makes sense with the whole "magical hidden city" thing, but she's the closest the Elves get to a minor goddess. More interesting is the lack of Kurnous and Isha. Especially Isha. She's the Elven Goddess.
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There's 21 Major Houses, Mathilde just cherry-picked the ones that seem immediately applicable or that she already knew something about. The full list has pretty much the entire pantheon.
 
BoneyM said:
"Most of our metal-Mages are smiths, not fighters."
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This is pretty interesting, as it highlights the difference between elven wizards and human wizards. Elven wizards are craftspeople and artisans. Human wizards are soldiers. We haven't met a single wizard who can't fight, but in Laurelorn they have an entire class of wizards who don't fight.

Also, the "gold wizard" he mentioned was probably Stanisława Skłodowicz, the High Wizard of Middenheim.

BoneyM said:
You'll probably want to hold off on that until you're sure all your must-haves are in.
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So I'm thinking: Jades, Ambers, Runesmiths, Hedgewise at the minimum. Ice witches are a nice stretch goal, and we definitely want to pull in a couple of the major houses as well, but I'm not sure which. Maybe some Ulrican priests? Having a major Imperial god/cult invested could be helpful, but Ulrican's don't play well with others, especially if we get the Hedgewise involved.

I'll leave it to someone smarter than me to figure out the "how" part.
 
I'm curious, did Laurelorn ever host a Dawi embassy, and if so, is the building still there?
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
This is pretty interesting, as it highlights the difference between elven wizards and human wizards. Elven wizards are craftspeople and artisans. Human wizards are soldiers. We haven't met a single wizard who can't fight, but in Laurelorn they have an entire class of wizards who don't fight.

Also, the "gold wizard" he mentioned was probably Stanisława Skłodowicz, the High Wizard of Middenheim.



So I'm thinking: Jades, Ambers, Runesmiths, Hedgewise at the minimum. Ice witches are a nice stretch goal, and we definitely want to pull in a couple of the major houses as well, but I'm not sure which. Maybe some Ulrican priests? Having a major Imperial god/cult invested could be helpful, but Ulrican's don't play well with others, especially if we get the Hedgewise involved.

I'll leave it to someone smarter than me to figure out the "how" part.
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Taal and Rhya have been pitched as possibilities for the Cults due to the Belthani likely having had a significant effect in shaping those Cults. I think we should get working on them after Jades and Ambers.
 
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