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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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As far as AV usefulness, I feel like almost all of the long-term arguments there are heavily undermined by us not sharing this discovery with the colleges. We want to see what it does in a teclesian magic paradigm in a reasonable amount of time? Give a few samples to any interested magisters and let them go nuts. We want to see how it can be weaponized? Give a few samples to Adela and the gunnery school here and see what they give up with.

Want to see if it can be made into a powestone? Get a few magisters who are experienced in making powestones to give it a shot.

I don't disagree with any of the rationales offered- I just disagree with having Mathilde take the actions. There's a whole research college set up in Altdorf already.

I respect the "I want to read about the process of discovery" argument. But I don't really respect the utility maximization arguments- if we actually wanted the empire better armed in a death world, or the colleges to have a better grip on the fundemental transformations magic undergoes, we'd hand this of like we did the skaven stuff.
 
Candesce said:
Well, among other reasons, I'd prefer Mathilde's prospective pokemon not try to eat her girlfriend.
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Presumably leashed Apparitions don't go hunting for their original preferences unless ordered to, or we probably would have gotten a warning about that from Gehenna. I would think the Gold order would've had enough experience with their Hounds to notice if they go for Bright mages after being tamed.
 
Ericwinter said:
Presumably leashed Apparitions don't go hunting for their original preferences unless ordered to, or we probably would have gotten a warning about that from Gehenna. I would think the Gold order would've had enough experience with their Hounds to notice if they go for Bright mages after being tamed.
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Gehenna has been in the same room as Adela without anyone being mauled.
 
BoneyM said:
While that is true, he also possesses the quality I'm focusing on here, which is not being Mathilde.
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There being only one Mathilde is a big problem. We should explore ways to make more Mathildes. Given Mathilde's wide array of skills and contacts, there are many routes we could look into:

(a) Naruto Grey Magic approach - Shadow Clones with independent self-awareness.

(b) Jade Magic approach - Growing new Mathildes from the earth.

(c) Dawi Runic approach - Grontis with pieces of Mathilde's soul implanted into them.

(d) Skaven approach - Experimental Warpstone / Fleshcrafting Tech.

(e) We approach - Letting Mathilde's consciousness hitch a ride on the We's hivemind and share the usage of the We-spider-bodies.

(f) Ranald approach - Multiplying Mathilde by Ranald's Holy and Blessed Number.
 
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Catpetter1981 said:
There being only one Mathilde is a big problem. We should explore ways to make more Mathildes. Given Mathilde's wide array of skills and contacts, there are many routes we could look into:

(a) Naruto Grey Magic approach - Shadow Clones with independent self-awareness.

(b) Jade Magic approach - Growing new Mathildes from the earth.

(c) Dawi Runic approach - Grontis with pieces of Mathilde's soul implanted into them.

(d) Skaven approach - Experimental Warpstone / Fleshcrafting Tech.

(e) We approach - Letting Mathilde's consciousness hitch a ride on the We's hivemind and share the usage of the We-spider-bodies.

(f) Ranald approach - Multiplying Mathilde by Ranald's Holy and Blessed Number.
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Hmm, B sounds like a fun project with our girlfriend. I'm sure we could convince her of the benefits of multiple Mathildes running around in the world, Malthide-ing all over the place.
 
Catpetter1981 said:
There being only one Mathilde is a big problem. We should explore ways to make more Mathildes. Given Mathilde's wide array of skills and contacts, there are many routes we could look into:
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LittenLeKitten said:
Hmm, B sounds like a fun project with our girlfriend. I'm sure we could convince her of the benefits of multiple Mathildes running around in the world, Malthide-ing all over the place.
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I kinda figured that was what we were going to be doing with Eike... :V
 
BoneyM said:
Gehenna has been in the same room as Adela without anyone being mauled.
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Although, notably lacking at that time was any binding or unleashing of golden hellhounds, in fairness.
Particularly not an attempt to capture an as yet never-bound Apparition with a Wind that as yet has never done such.
I imagine the bound/dormant state differs from the activated/unleashed state, in amongst other things the risk level posed to bystanders(?)
Ericwinter said:
I would think the Gold order would've had enough experience with their Hounds to notice if they go for Bright mages after being tamed.
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I don't support the 'tamed' language in regard to Apparitions. These are dangerous magical phenomena that I believe can and do turn on their binders, so using terms like 'tamed' gives (IMO) a misleading impression about what we can ever hope to achieve. They are not pokemon, they are bound daemons that were already present on this plane (and skirt by on that technicality). I believe Golden Hounds can and sometimes do turn on their binder when unleashed on the battlefield(?).
BoneyM said:
If the spell goes wrong they can break free and either run for it or try to eat you, but that's no worse than the usual consequences for miscasting Battle Magic."
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On the spider silk thing - didn't the Dawi weaver's guild say that the spider silk was fit only for elves?

Well, since we are going to work with some elves we might want to hire some of their spider silk experts.
 
Zero Gravitas said:
On the spider silk thing - didn't the Dawi weaver's guild say that the spider silk was fit only for elves?

Well, since we are going to work with some elves we might want to hire some of their spider silk experts.
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Elves and Goblins to be exact, but yes they did say that. I'm not exactly sure if the Eonir cultivate silk, but if they do then sure we can try, but that would require some time to get the Dwarfs and Elves to warm up to each other. Sure there are no grudges but they both need time to let things sink in rather than jump right into full speed cooperation.
 
Codex said:
Elves and Goblins to be exact, but yes they did say that. I'm not exactly sure if the Eonir cultivate silk, but if they do then sure we can try, but that would require some time to get the Dwarfs and Elves to warm up to each other. Sure there are no grudges but they both need time to let things sink in rather than jump right into full speed cooperation.
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Well the Dwarfs are going to have to suck it up - I don't think Belegar would prefer to have goblin weavers for the silk so Mathilde's only option is to rope some Eonir into spinning her some amazing silken bedding.
 
Last time we had an action on AV was July 4th of last year. Or 4,792 pages ago; almost half the entire thread's length. While discussion has kept the topic fresh in people's minds, objectively it has been a very long time since any AV actions actually happened in the quest itself.
 
I'm always in favour of AV actions: we need to start trying to make room for a long term project, not finding room, because we will always find reason to put off the long term projects when we are finding room.
 
Zero Gravitas said:
Well the Dwarfs are going to have to suck it up - I don't think Belegar would prefer to have goblin weavers for the silk so Mathilde's only option is to rope some Eonir into spinning her some amazing silken bedding.
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The elves probably don't have much relevant experience.

They weave strands from thousands of tiny spiders, we're talking a couple very large strands.

It'll get figured out when it is.
 
IronFist said:
Iirc, the we use very fine strands in larger quantum, not large strands
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Which means that instead of spinning larger threads out of many small ones, you need to de-tangle a large threads into smaller, more usable ones. Or else, idk, have the we squat over a frame that is built to prevent the individual spinnerets from contributing to a single larger thread as it is spun.

Hard problem, any way you slice it.
 
Maybe people are looking at the use of We silk wrong.

If We silk is to big and think for cloth and clothes, then don't use it for that.

make rope and canvas for tents and tapastres instead.
 
Folks, please assume that if the problem hasn't been solved after years of NPCs who are very strongly motivated to solve it (by the prospect of bonkers amounts of money to be made) trying and not yet succeeding, it is a nontrivial problem that isn't going to have a "why didn't we try that" solution. Furthermore:
BoneyM said:
Mathilde declined at every stage to take roles that would oversee managing the economic output of the We
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It is not our problem to solve. It's in the quest background at this point and we will find out when it is solved in background rolls. Boney hasn't told us what the specific problem that is causing silk production not to take off is because the specifics don't matter to Mathilde's story.
 
Right. This is my "this far and no further" line, and I'm sure

If we get mention about the We silk showing some progress in... four years, we buy some fecking bedclothes from Ullathan!

Everyday we are without them, Johann gets another sleep ahead of us. :'(
 
Going to be honest, I'm more sick of hearing about the We then basically any other common subject.

simple because we haven't done shit with them since those first actions, refused to do stuff with them every chance it came up, and are now it's likely they are very much going to exit stage left for the foreseeable future as we will not be doing anything not related to books and magic In K8Ps now.

And Library We is still a bit off.

they have, by thread choice mind you, been mechanically and narratively irreverent for awhile now.

to the point that I think Boney is getting annoyed every time we silk comes up, because the answer is 'vote to go see if you actually care!'

edit; @picklepikkl got there first.
 
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